Bass' Tramp Red Boy (Wendell Martin's)

[CYJ]

Ditto EWO, here are the four rumors I always heard about the Sire of the Bass' Tramp Red Boy dog. Hope I am not duplicating myself in another post. Doing pedigree searches and correcting/adding info about these dogs. Have helped jog my memory a good bit.

I. Note the name Bass named Red Boy. Bass' Tramp Red Boy. This rumor is of a pit dog or maybe a Am Staff bred dog. Mr. Teal found roaming the downtown streets of his hometown. Mr. Teal named this; I believe was a brindle male dog, Tramp. This Tramp dog had no registered papers, so breeding was unknown. Mr. Teal checked the oil on this dog and found it to be game. I do not know how many times this Teal's Tramp was shown. Maybe just one time. From later information this Teal's Tramp was one of the first or first dogs matched into Baker Davis's Boomerang dog. The Teal's Tramp dog lost the show.

Some articles etc. have tried to say Teal's Tramp and Teal's Jeff or the same dog, not so. The Teal's Tramp dog had no known pedigree. The Teal's Jeff did. Some years later when Davis's Boomerang was around or close to eight years old. An age way past showing a dog. Mr. Davis matched his Boomerang dog for the last time into Mr. Teal. The dog used by Mr. Teal was bred out of his Teal's Mike (Big Mac, Tramp Red Boy's sibling brother) dog and that Mr. Medlin's Rose bitch. This dog was a brindle dog and well built. I saw this show. Mr. Davis's Boomerang won that show also.

2. The next rumor told was that Bass' Tramp Red Boy was sired by a dog named Wino. The only dog I knew of back then called Wino was Carver's Wino dog that had won three shows and lost a hard show to Mr. Teal's (Heinzl's Adolph). This Wino dog could have been bought by a local or even by Mr. Teal. I have this Carver's Wino dog entered into our system. Will add Carver's Wino offspring and the Heinzl's Adolph pedigree later today. There is a connection to the Adam's dogs in this Carver's Wino dog's pedigree. The Fancier in his Red Boy article talks about a Earl Adams connection. Now I am certainly not sure about this and could be just running up and down a rabbit trail. LOL

3. This rumor I have heard the most. Was that a man drove into Mr. Teal's Bowman Restaurant for some breakfast. This person had a big nice looking red/red nose dog tied in the back of his truck. The man saw all the dogs chained back up on the hill behind the Restaurant. He inquired about the dogs on the Hill to the waitress in the restaurant. Telling he had the same breed of dog tied up on the back of his truck. Mr. Teal was there that day and checked out this man's dog. One or two things happen that day. Was either Mr. Teal bought that dog from its owner. Or the Suzie-Q bitch was on Mr. Teal's yard, in heat ready to breed. So, Mr. Teal bred Susie-Q to that dog that day. This stud dog maybe being of Ross Red Devil breeding. In that time era the Red Devil/Maximilian bred dogs around N.C. was popular. Rowell showed one into me and later F. Jacobs showed one. This dog also could have been one of those Stidham (Heavy Hemphill breeding) - Cable-Long bred dogs by Mr. Kreebs or Creebs according to Mr. Mim's thoughts on the matter.

4. I talked with Garner recently. He said when he had talked with Mr. Teal over the phone, not long after Mr. Teal had that heart attack and stroke. I remember that day very well. I was doing the driving for Mr. Teal and Egan. We went down to a dog show event in Georgia. Mr. Teal refused to go to a emergency room and I had to drive him all the way back to his home. His doctor was furious with Mr. Teal for not seeking help much earlier.

Garner asked Mr. Teal who was the sire of Bass' Red Boy. The reply was off the Teal's Tip dog. Many years before that event, Mr. Egan Skinner told me, he felt that the sire to Bass' Red Boy and his litter siblings. Was the Teal's Tip dog. Garner jogged my memory in that discussion, and I recalled Mr. Skinner saying the same. Out of all these rumors this is the only two conversations many years apart that even agree.

That is the rumors to the best of my memory I had heard. After all these years. I saw a so-called True pedigree posted on Bass' Cleo showing this bitch dog sired by a Bert Sorrell dog. Thought that was sort of Ironic and refreshed my memory of that day. Standing in Bass' dog yard looking at Bass' Cleo bitch. Asking Bass if Cleo was a Bert Sorrell bred dog. LOL

No need to take all this too serious. V. Jackson and self-had to read a scathing article in the SDJ written by Don Mayfield. Stating our V. Jackson's Hank pedigree was a fake. So, what are we to do? Throw the baby out with the bath water. LOL The only honest Breeders I knew in my time era was Joe Beal/Howard Heinzl/Orbie Coplin/Egan Skinner/Plemmons/Carl Mims/ and there were some others.

Unless you are standing there yourself seeing your bitch bred to a specific stud dog. Never know what you may get. LOL Would be nice to get an interview from Mr. Mims on all this. Later in years Katie had started her own dog registry. I had visited her on a weekend and was chatting with her in her office. She ran a rental trailer park as well.

Katie was in a good mood that day. She first started telling me that Maurice Carver had called her inquiring about her Red Boy bloodlines etc. She also mentions that she knew how Red Boy was bred and Cleo. Was someday soon going to put out the corrected pedigrees. Was never able to get any more info at that time. A rental customer had drove up to ask about rent on one of her trailers. After that we went outside and looked at her dog yard and talked about more dogs. Variety is the spice of life. I liked the Carver-Boudreaux/Coplin-Mayfield dogs. Katie was doing her thing with the Red Boy dogs. I did not ask any more about the mentioned above topics. Figured if she wished to tell me more would have done so. Just good bulldog etiquette to never ask to many personnel questions about one's dogs/conditioning etc. Cheers