Be careful, the scrapings may have degreaser, or some type of cleaner in them. My best
Be careful, the scrapings may have degreaser, or some type of cleaner in them. My best
Never thought about that but I'll find out if they actually use a degreaser/cleaner for their grill. If they do, I'll see if that goes in their tub of fats as well. I know they dump all the fat and grease off the grill everyday. Good looking out though.Originally Posted by Kendall Hoyle
When I"m feeding the oils, fat, or lard, I'm not feeding them for the omegas in them. I'm feeding it because fat is the main energy source, and a hard working dog needs lots of fat in order to operate properly. If I'm worried about omegas and what not, I'll get that from the actual food. I'm not concerned about that coming from my fat sources, so to me, they're all the same thing. One isn't superior to the other as the dog's body assimilates it all the same except flaxseed, which is waste when using for a dog.
Frosty - I would like a more detailed explaination of why Flaxseed is a waste for dogs. I'm always looking to learn, revamp and improve my diet.
Here's what I currently feed my 17 dogs, daily.
1 Egg
2 Oz Yogurt
1/4 Teaspoon of Cell Red for vitamins
1 Oz Wheat Germ/Flaxseed/Fish Oil (only one a day rotated daily)
2 Oz Liver
6-8 Oz Chicken Thigh or Quarter
If I can eliminate Flaxseed and get everything I need, including the Omega 3's and 6's, then I'm all in.
So far, the above diet has been the best formula for me thus far and my dogs look great. In deer season, I take all internal organs, grind into a mix and add 2 oz of this to the above in addition to the deer carcasses.
I like the way this diet looks NQK. What if any difference do you see not including the boiled rice? And do you not include and vegetables at some point in this diet?
I give all credit to Jack for putting all of this stuff together in his PBB. I've taken what's there, as most here, and have messed with it to get to where I'm currently at with what I feed. I get that the economy version includes rice and it's fine and by far better than kibble, but it's still something not natural to a dog's diet. That's the only reason I don't include it. That and the fact that I like to prep my weekly feed a certain way and making enough rice for 17 dogs for a week would just irritate me. I would rather pay a little more and get what I want (invest) than spend more time and less money boiling and keeping rice in a fridge that's already full of dog feed. I do not include any veggies. Reason being is real simple. I cross referenced the economy raw to the ideal raw and took the things I like best. I seems if you are not going to feed veggies, you should feed a good multi-vitamin in it's place. That's what I do. I take 4 32oz containers of yogurt and mix 8 oz of Red Cell with it. I stir it all up. It doesn't separate at all so it works well. I make sure it's well blended and each dog get's 1'4 cup of this with their feed, thus getting about 1 teaspoon of red cell. I use the horse formula so I can use less of it and get more.
Man that all makes sense, thanks for the feedback. I always find myself looking for for more cost efficient ways to feed Raw without neglecting to include a good balance of necessary ingredients. And even though my numbers stay closer to the ten head mark I have to agree that the rice cooking and storage gets aggravating as hell.
I started a topic on another related Raw feeding subject some time back but it never went anywhere, the topic was feeding Horse meat. A point was made that horse is very lean meat which is true but I have a very good supply of free Jackasses and Donky's, and these things have plenty of fat on them. I mix it in evenly when I bag the meat to freez it.
The trouble I have is that the only bones small enough to really eat are the ribs. I need to come up with a source of bone to add without driving the price up to where I could just feed chicken without all the work involved in butchering Jacks or Donky's. If you or anyone else has idea's I'd like to hear some feedback. Thanks.
That is a great feed. If I had the same recipe I would drop the 2oz of liver and up the chicken to some fatty cuts like backs. The hunks of skin and fat, plus a little more bone.
I use wheat germ oil as well, but I mix and match the fats, and lean toward the more easily digestible ones like chicken and beef fat. One of the best cuts for the dogs is cow cheek. it is a really fatty cut of meat. A chunk of that in place of the liver would be better, at least in my opinion.
I do Red Cell as well. I alternate days on that as well.
Nice recipe. I'm sure it works well.
Looking for Frosty's response as well.
EWO
"Flax oil is often touted as a good omega-3 source but the omega-3’s in flax oil are not in a form that dogs can incorporate in their body and so they become a very expensive substitute for vegetable oil."
Arleigh Reynolds, DVM
There's an article I posted on here, Rendering Sense Into Fat. I would recommend everyone reading it.
Thanks Frosty
You've sold me. I've been looking at it for a while now. I'm kinda a hair splitter when it comes to some of this stuff and can over think for sure. However, I think the Salmon oil will provide my dogs with all the omega 3's they need and what I'll be doing on my next order is simply feeding Wheat Germ and Salmon oil. That's it. I do keep Lard on hand but I like these two oils alot. I think a daily rotation from Wheat to Salmon will do the trick for sure.
Thanks dude.
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