Gotap Im with you on that. CYJ I saw dogs down from rowell's dogs and they were good. I have my blend already though. Im with you on the Gainey's J.R. being a better producer. I believe it is him and the assassin blood that pushed these burns dogs over although burns dogs are good too, but I would lose my last nickel on these dogs gamness and ability to adapt. I just don't want to lose it by going in to tight ( not with the shonuf x lil mighty breeding).