Exactly. There are heavy duty chains that are very light in weight considering the work load they carry. They are perfect for chain set ups and easy to maintain. Your book has helped every person who has read it and practiced it. I don't care if you are green or seasoned. There are always teachable and learning moments.with this. And if you aren't trying to get better and be better then stay in your lane. I know its not and CA J I know your stance on this, but if this is truely a fraternity then no one should take offense to being corrected or constructive or non constructive cristism of things like this. You should strive to be in the position to bring the best possible hound out. If I see a shitty looking dog or set up I'm saying something. These athletes should be honored not hindered. So take shit with a grain of salt and get better to be better. Correct the stupid shit and learn and move on to the next. Some of the conditions I see these hounds in amaze me. I've visited many yards only once because of this type of behavior. Sometimes folks don't wanna hear or just do not care enough. And those are the folks I cull.