Lol, well hopefully Mr. Hanmonds didn't sell me a half wild coyote/half bulldog mix lol!!! I will have to post a pick, and see if it is what you would call a bushy tail or just a little fuzzy lol. My heavier alligator bitch has the more traditional low hung skinny pump handle looking tail. Cheers
Ditto Mileshighmisfit. One of the popular lines in my area back in the mid 70's/80's was the William's Paladin dogs. Most of these dogs ran up into the upper 40 to catch weight dogs. The ones off the Paladin x Middleton's Black Betty bitch were smaller dogs and were well built dogs. I did have a really nice looking young Paladin bitch dog that was just to large for my liking. I called here my half grown black calf. I could feed three smaller dogs for what this bitch ate a day. LOL Gave her to a young dog man by the name of Marty Hill.
Marty had that Hill's Johnny dog, that was a brother/Sister breeding off Crenshaw's Jeep x Johnson's Rage bitch. Was plans if the bitch checked out at a later date, he wanted to cross the two lines. No longer am able to contact him, this bitch may have been stolen along with his two little bitches off V. Jackson's Tunney and my Young's Face bitch.
When the Paladin/Red Boy line and the Jocko/Red Boy line took off around here. The over all size of the match dogs went up a good bit. Many from 48 to 68 pound match dogs. Many matches were between these two lines in this area way back when. Later larger dogs were coming off Tant's line/Mr.Burn's line/ and M. Gainey's line along with the Powell's Termite line. Showing larger match weight dogs over all.
The last conversation I had with V.J. some months back. He told me that Mr. Fletcher Chavis told him that he never lost a match with his dogs to a Paladin dog. This is just what was said, would have to be backed up with some match stats. I am in no means bad mouthing the Paladin line as I saw some very good dogs bred off this famous stud dog.
Overtime I too saw how the game was changing in my area and was trying to breed up my own Creel-Bullyson-Art's Missy strain. I needed some larger dogs to hopefully compete. Many of the smaller dogs of 28 to say 35 pounds match size were not as plentiful. V.J. realized this as well and came to me to cross my newer stock into what was left of our smaller dogs of years back. At that time I did not know I would soon be out of the dogs and V.J. due to some serious personnel events did not know he would have to pack it up and move back to Texas.
My Young's Chuck was around 65 pounds on the Chain. The Paladin dog fat on the chain may have been heavier and even Bass Tramp Red Boy was around 65 pounds with the Kelley's Willie dog around the same size. Another line that produced larger dogs was the Joe Beal line. The bitch dog that was bred to V. Jackson's Hank was a family of larger dogs. The last cross Mr. Joe Beal made was off my Young's Chuck dog X Young's Amber bitch. Amber was a Joe Beal bred bitch producing Beal's Southern Johnny Reb. I gave this young dog to Mr. Beal.
Check out the picture of Foust's Sandman (Mr. Burn's Big Joe X Foust's Tabu) on the on lines pedigree site. Sitting on the chain at 80 pounds. But still a really nice looking Pit dog or should I say Pit Bulldog as Sandman was a Big Whooper of a size dog.. LOL Cheers
Last edited by CYJ; 04-02-2016 at 12:01 PM.
A total package and complete evaluation of the animal is essential. If you are hitting 7-10 on a scale of 1-10 in most critical areas of what a bulldog is supposed to be, then a bushy tail isn't anything to consider.
We can all get carried away with breeding for complete completeness........it's hard to do. Breed the dog for the PURPOSE you choose and evaluate him based on how well he does that.
Well said.Originally Posted by No Quarter Kennel
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