I saved Ch Vengence life. His owner tried cranking him up with a male that was not fully started himself, he then pulled him and tried starting him with a rough bitch that was in heat (SMH) Vengence was completely confused at this point and his owner was going to shoot the 13 month old Warrior. I pointed out from the get go he had fucked him wrong in every way possible. I told him to take him home let him mature out some more and try him again. The next go around I personally picked one out for him off a buddy's yard that was fully started and didnt fuck around. Vengence handled his ass with ease and figured out real quick by controling the ivory would not get touched. He blew through several more prospects without a single scratch. Few months later got his first win. I bred twice to Ch Vengence and got nothing. I used a daughter of VISE-GRIP'S CHASE POR and a Daughter of VISE-GRIP'S HERO. Truely a heartbreaking disappointment to know he could not produce.....Kilo