Quote Originally Posted by unknow kennel View Post
MISTER I said what or u feed now 2015 not what u had 15 year ago 2000 .Funny every body there said the bitch was fuck up in 5 min.But u in Albert who never see her go said she a curl lmao. Hey I bring It like I talk it -In talk it like I walk it u- u can have this internet. So u from tx not far from me put your gloves on in show the world 45 MY SHOES SIZE now let me see u STEP IN THEM.Last time me in famous was out there I left my shirt any way I need to come get it so can I have a invitation PLEASE
MISTER SHOW THE WORLD

Typically, I think people who advertise their dogs should be left in peace. If a person wants to breed two :04 wall-jumpers together, that is their prerogative, same as it is a person's prerogative to outcross, scatter-breed, or linebreed the finest dogs he has access to.

As far as Albert goes, he has been booted off this board for his failure to follow direction. IMO, Albert is a highly-successful breeder, and he was welcome here, but unfortunately his sole purpose here was to continue to try to promote his own pitiful website and pedigree structures, and he was cautioned against doing so at least 10x before being given the boot. I explained to Albert that he can link back to pedigrees on "his" site, in the classifieds, but that if he is going to post the self-serving pedigrees of only his dogs on any other section, that those pedigrees needed to link back to OUR pedigrees here. Time and again, Albert failed to comply with our requests, to the extent that he would first post a photo of some winning dog he bred ... and link it back to a pedigree here, as instructed ... but later (after he thought I had checked it) he would then sneak back and "edit" days later, re-linking the photos he posted back to his own commercial enterprise, thinking he could "fool me" that way. No such luck, Al, and thus the inevitable bootmark was given to his ass


Meanwhile, Unknow, you have run your mouth to me in the past, I do believe about Ch Famous in fact, and you went on and on about how Famous would "cur out" any Vise-Grip dog, etc., etc., blah-blah-blah, and yet HERE (and in other places) I have tried to stick up for you and your dog

My honest opinion, Unknow (aside from the fact you don't know how to spell Unknown) is that Ch Famous is a gorgeous, stunning bitch, and that you are to be commended for trying to go all the way with her. My honest opinion is that you should have the right to breed whatever two dogs you want together, without being insulted, taken to task, ridiculed, etc.

However, you come across as such a low-class, foul-mouthed person (with ZERO actual dog knowledge) that it is very difficult to stay on your side. I don't think Mister was being rude to you when he questioned what you were doing with this breeding. He is merely pointing out that, on the subject of GAMENESS, perhaps this breeding leaves something to be desired. Typically, when there is a question of gameness in one of the parents (usually an extremely rough cur), most breeders at least try to breed that dog in the direction of extreme gameness ... not to another dog whose gameness is also highly-suspect.

Ch Famous has proven she has what it takes to win, but most folks think she lost her drive and didn't make it to the hour mark, when put behind. I think the point Mister is trying to make is that, typically, BULLDOGS (when they can't win) either have to be picked up, or they keep going until they're gone. What I happen to find humorous is how the very bitch you said would "cur out" one of my bitches, herself couldn't make it to the hour mark when she was faced with adversity. Here are some examples of GAME individuals, and how they lost when faced with extreme adversity and were put behind by quality opponents:


Again, I think your bitch is a fine animal, worthy of respect, and probably has more ability than 70-90% of bitches being bred, and more wins than probably 95-99% of the bitches being bred right now. But, you see, the thing about it is, our fraternity has this obsession with valuing extreme gameness, almost over everything else, and in that key respect your bitch appears to be extremely common. This is not a slam, this is simply the reality.

Another reality is that you don't have a Size 45 shoe. Perhaps a Size 45 mouth, but not a Size 45 Shoe.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't breed Ch Famous nor did you condition her.
If my understanding is right, someone else bred her and someone else worked her.
If this is true, and we pull out the ol' microscope, it can be clearly seen that you aren't "the brains" behind much of anything.

With that said, you might want to check yourself a bit, and realize that some of the folks offering advice might just have a bit more brains AND experience breeding truly game dogs than you do ... so you might want to listen more, and talk less

Jack