The one he beat was open with no takers for a long time with no takers not sure of the exact time. I'll be 100% honest I have the utmost respect for Titere but I didn't see the point in doing the race with a aging legend, but he showed true regained control and proved once again why he is so great...Gizzy to my knowledge hasn't out raced a titled one yet and Puma is off Machobear or one of those dog's I'll post their peds and you can add them and take the links down.