Quote Originally Posted by S_B View Post
I agree Jack with everything you said here, great post. I'm not just a "nodder" either.
The one thing you said that is the most glaring fact in dogmen is that ability to "SEE" and or feel what you have in a bulldog. I've learned bad signs are our emotions tied to a macho stigma placed on these dogs by ignorant dogmen. A truly bad sign is when you've done everything correctly and your dog isn't a bulldog.
Good point.

Only after you've done everything on your part, as the owner, do you have the right then to judge your dog.

Then you know that the dog is not up to standard as a bulldog ... rather than you not being up to standard as an owner.



Quote Originally Posted by S_B View Post
I've never understood why dogmen brag about how many they've culled, there can only be two reasons for all the culling.
#1. They have no idea what they are looking at.
#2. They have really shitty dogs.
True again. Or both.



Quote Originally Posted by S_B View Post
I'll add another, there are those who are looking to stop one instead of looking to manage one correctly.
S_B
Yep. People who are TRYING to stop their dogs are basically malicious assholes ... with huge egos, but tiny brains, and no heart.

The best teachers are those who try (and are able) to bring out THE BEST in their students.

What you describe would be like a high school teacher TRYING to make all his students FAIL ... he is no "educator" he is just an asshole.

I think the most glaring example of what you mention I can remember was almost 20 years ago, when Pinky and the Brain *bragged* about killing a dog who didn't crawl, for the second time, when he placed a bale of hay between the dog and its foe. He rolled two dogs out to the end, and made one crawl to the other dog (which it did) ... and then this lifetime idiot, Pinky, placed a bale of hay between the dog and its opponent ... and the dog stopped crawling ... and Pinky killed the dog, because he wasn't "game enough."

If ever there were the embodiment of everything that is wrong with a dog-wasting, wanna-be dogman, Pinky and the Brain would be first in line for this award. Suffering from "short man's complex" his entire life, he abused dogs, he did not "test" them properly. And, true to form, as with all "ruthless" types, his ACTUAL RECORD was mediocre at best.

He killed a shitload of dogs that could have done well in other hands, dogs with awesome talents, but who didn't pass his "ruthless tests." Funny thing is, those dogs that did somehow pass his "tests" were never very remarkable, maybe 1- 2xWs.

Which brings up another point: THE best dogs are always highly-intelligent ... they are NOT just "dead game plugs" ... and so IF you create a set of standards that is so fucking insurmountable that ONLY a DG, fucking retarded dog will pass ... then the best you will ever hope to have are a bunch of rock-headed, STUPID, DG dogs ... who will NEVER reach an elite level.

The BEST dogs have THE BRAINS to know what's up, too. They're not just stupid-game.

Wanting a high-percentage of gameness is good, so long as a person is REALISTIC

However, the worst thing that ever could happen to a dog is to be owned by someone with UNrealistic beliefs as to gameness (and a total unwillingness to allow a dog to mature).

Jack