SHAVING bulldog in keep. (Only reply if you've exp or have knowledge in it.)

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You don't have the ability to say the same thing twice and keep your thoughts consistent.

You first said you thought a 5 oz advantage was a 100% guarantee of success.

Now you're saying it's "an advantage"

Well, no shit, I already agreed it was an advantage ... a 5 oz advantage





You're, not your.

Just because some dogmen run over 5 oz doesn't mean anything.

Other dogmen push weight and win.

I agree weight matters, when it's significant; we just disagree that 5 oz is "significant."

You also have yet to prove that shaved dog hair = 5 oz, which I doubt very much, so I think "shaving hair" is even less significant.





In addition to having trouble with concepts, you also have trouble with proportions and math.

15 lb = 48x greater than 5 oz

(1lb = 16 oz x 15 = 240 oz)

240/5 = 48

The average pit dog is 40 lb.
The average human fighter around 160.

This means the average person is 4x the size of the average dog (not 48x the size).
This means you are exaggerating to make a point, so let's bring you back down to reality.

If the average man is 4x the size of the average dog, then you multiply 5 oz x 4 which would = 20 oz (1.25 lb).

This means your big 5 oz "advantage" in a 40 lb bulldog is equal to a 1.25 lb (20 oz) advantage in a middleweight (160 lb) human, which again isn't shit.





Even the same two people would be different. You are different now from what you were yesterday.

If you played a computer game twice, you would make different choices and get different scores.

As with your lack of understanding of everything else, you're not understanding this concept.

People are not robots who do the same things every time; they are different every single day.





Well, it is a good topic, but when you actually THINK about it, and use facts, 1) no one has yet to prove what dog hair weighs, and even if it weighs 5 ounces, which I very much doubt, it still doesn't do shit.

I do agree that weight is significant, when the amount of weight is significant.
But 5 oz isn't shit to a dog (and I still don't think dog hair even weighs 5 oz).

The best middleweight human fighters are not going to win/lose over a 1.25 lb difference in weight, and the best 40 lb dogs are not going to win/lose over 5 oz either.

Other factors will make the difference.

Jack

Thanks Jack you managed to drag me back in this because of my typo. What the hell does my typo need to be addressed for? If you were going to address my statements in my last post thats all you had to do.

Thanks again for telling me what i first said. But youre WRONG! The first thing i said about the issue of weight difference was post #9. And i said it was a benifit not anything about a 100% guarantee of victory.

I dont need to prove that shaved dog hair weighs 5oz to you. Firstly it was an example in which i threw out a weight. I know all dogs hair weight is different. Since the issue of hair weight is your main concern and not the concept why dont you shave ten 40lb bulldogs from the base of the head down and see if you can get 1oz or less. I can tell you it wont happen. I've shaved enough dogs to know that what you will get will be around what i said in post #8 and that 3-5oz.

Once agin you're nit picking. Im not going to do calculations to to make sure my weight EXAMPLE for a dog is proportional to my weight EXAMPLE of you fighting your clone. I gave the examples and weren't meant to be proportional. You can feel free to come up with your own examples and use adequate proportions if you would like.

So you have complied a list of every fighter in the world and charted their weight and come up with 160 being the average??? My guess would be no(doesn't me pointing that out seem like im nit picking).

Yes pdople are different from day to day but since we are talking about human clones lets assume my EXAMPLE is in a fairy tale world. In this world if its a monday your clone experiences the exact same monday, makes the exact same decisions, feels the exact same way and has the exact same skill set and conditioning. If you two were to do combat with each other the one with the 15lb weight advantage would win.

What do you mean use facts??? I seem to be the ONLY person that posted on this thread, admitting to shaving a dog for the purpose of charting the resuction of weight and saying what those weights were. FACT. All you have been doing is "thinking" you cant get 5oz off a dog and "guessing" that the hair is less than 1oz. Once again it is pointless to prove how much dog hair weighs. It doesn't matter how much "dog hair" weighs as long as i know how much my current dog that i am bringing to the box lost when he is shaved and i can adjust the feed/fluid intake accordingly. I agree with you on one thing 5oz of hair is not significant just like its not significant if you take you bring your natural 40m otc and go into a 43lb dog that is a natural 37m. Yea you pushed 3lbs but it was against a dog that is naturally 3lbs smaller than your dog. Im not arguing shave your dog to have a 5oz(example #) weight advantage on the scale.

In the end, a relaxed, poised dog, in shape, and with good blood, will be long-winded with the hair God gave it.

Jack

PS: Can't think of a single all-time-great dog that needed to be matched, shaved

If you think wind is the only conditioning factor involved in going the long haul you're mistaken. There are people that get in deep water and never take a breath but still lose because of the keep because of things like muscle endurance. Their dogs legs will begin to wobble and you can watch the keep fall off right before your eyes. My stance on the main topic that i'm arguing has and will continue to be the same. If I can shave my dog, take 5oz of hair off and put 5oz more of fuel(feed/fluid) in him to maybe give him an advantage over the other dog in the long haul i will do it every single time. The hair sure isn't helping keep him on his feet in deep water. Will it make me win no but i'm going to help my dog succeed as much as possible.

PS: I cant either. I also cant think of any all-time great that needed to go through a full keep to beat some of thier opponents, or needed to be shot with steroids or travel several states over to train in the same altitude as their opponent but that didnt stop their conditioners from doing it and believing it was an advantage that would help their dog.

Thanks again Jack for the convo but I'm done regardless of you pointing out spelling/grammar errors or not.