SHAVING bulldog in keep. (Only reply if you've exp or have knowledge in it.)

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IMHO it’s a waste of time.
I have seen it done, it’s like most things in keep, and you want to establish and maintain consistency. If you are going to shave him/her the day of the race, it makes since to do it through the keep. So you know if you are shaving 3 ounces vs a half pound off the poor dog. I am pretty damn sure, you could shave a bulldog down from his head to his nuts and never get close to a half pound of one.

People develop their own methods and superstitions, some steeped in experince other in tradition. Six in one half dozen in the other, at the end of the day, I don’t think it hurts anything other than his pride.

I am just not going to look at my dog looking like he got ahold of my hair clippers. Really if it’s the very hair on his back that keeps him on the end of a chain, I am thinking I have bigger fish to fry.

Overheating is ALLWAYS a function of conditioning. It is going to happen; it is more of a function of when. Words to the wise athletes make a HARD distinction between “conditioning” and “training”….

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IMHO it’s a waste of time.
I have seen it done, it’s like most things in keep, and you want to establish and maintain consistency. If you are going to shave him/her the day of the race, it makes since to do it through the keep. So you know if you are shaving 3 ounces vs a half pound off the poor dog. I am pretty damn sure, you could shave a bulldog down from his head to his nuts and never get close to a half pound of one.

That is incorrect thinking. Shaving a dog for weight purposes only needs to be done once and it will be near the end of the keep.

There are two reasons someone would shave a dog for weight purposes. The 1st is the day of the race they see that they wont make weight and start shaving their dog to get off whatever they can. The 2nd way is what i do and it is for an advantage. For example lets say im bringing in a 40lb male and he is sitting at 41-1/2 a week out. I already know how much feed and water to gelive the rest of the keep and come show night i will be 40lbs on the nose. I'll empty my dog out and weigh him he weighs 41-1/2 then i shave him and he weighs 41.3 i removed 5oz of hair. If i continue with the current feed plan i will fall under weight on show night so the food and water intake is adjusted accordingly. Show night comes and i still fall dead on 40lbs but i was able to give my dog more food/fluids than i would have been able to had he not been shaved. It may not seem like a big deal but it is an advantage. If you bring Gr Ch Buck and hook into my Gr Ch Buck with identical keeps but my Buck weighs 5oz bigger I would win.

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If you bring Gr Ch Buck and hook into my Gr Ch Buck with identical keeps but my Buck weighs 5oz bigger I would win.

Not necessarily.

1) Who says dog hair weighs 5 oz?

2) The idea that a 5-oz advantage of two otherwise identical individuals = a 100% success guarantee is insane.

3) You cannot ever be guaranteed to able to beat yourself, twice in a row. The other "you" has the same chance.

Jack

[bullyson]

I shave my my dogs front legs the day before the deal to better expose the vein that i am going to hook a line into after the deal "if needed" All this other stuff about shaving is quite laughable to me A Bulldog is gonna be a Bulldog bald or with fur period !!

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I shave my my dogs front legs the day before the deal to expose the vein that i am going to hook a line into after the deal "if needed" All this other stuff about shaving is quite laughable to me A Bulldog is gonna be a Bulldog bald or with fur period !!

misleading yourself from this post is quite laughable to me. Before you laugh out of no where awkwardly, read and understand this post carefully. No one said anything about making a bulldog with or without fur and if you didn't know, you were suppose to have a bulldog in hand to bet with.

[bullyson]

Huh ???

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Not necessarily.

1) Who says dog hair weighs 5 oz?

2) The idea that a 5-oz advantage of two otherwise identical individuals = a 100% success guarantee is insane.

3) You cannot ever be guaranteed to able to beat yourself, twice in a row. The other "you" has the same chance.

Jack

With all things being equal except the weight i believe it does equal a 100% success rate. Even if if doesn't it is still an advantage. Jack if you were fighting your self with the same training and a 15lb weight advantage that it would be an even matchup?

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With all things being equal except the weight i believe it does equal a 100% success rate.

You are insane to think a 5 oz weight advantage = a 100% success rate.

Do you have the same running score every time?
How about the same weight lift results? Every time?
How about when you play a game? Same score every time?

You have different capabilities each day, hell each hour, and so would your mirror opposite.

To think that the adding of a mere 5 oz would slide the scale to from 50-50 to a 100% success rate is daft, at best, if not insane.

Even if if doesn't it is still an advantage.

A 5 oz advantage

Jack if you were fighting your self with the same training and a 15lb weight advantage that it would be an even matchup?

A 15 lb advantage is significant ... a 48x more significant advantage than a 5 oz advantage ... but even this is not a 100% guarantee of success.

Ever heard of David and Goliath?

It's all about ODDS ... a 5 oz advantage is negligible ... a 15 lb advantage would dramatically change the odds, but yet still not guarantee success.

Jack

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You are insane to think a 5 oz weight advantage = a 100% success rate.

Do you have the same running score every time?
How about the same weight lift results? Every time?
How about when you play a game? Same score every time?

You have different capabilities each day, hell each hour, and so would your mirror opposite.

To think that the adding of a mere 5 oz would slide the scale to from 50-50 to a 100% success rate is daft, at best, if not insane.





A 5 oz advantage





A 15 lb advantage is significant ... a 48x more significant advantage than a 5 oz advantage ... but even this is not a 100% guarantee of success.

Ever heard of David and Goliath?

It's all about ODDS ... a 5 oz advantage is negligible ... a 15 lb advantage would dramatically change the odds, but yet still not guarantee success.

Jack

Anyone who doesn't think any weight differenve is an advantage with ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL is insane. All things equal if you're 100% your mirror is 100%. If dog A has a slight cold his mirror has a slight cold. Track runner #1 runs a 4 minute mile today his mirror runs a 4 minute mile today.

Your laughing at a 5oz advantage. Thats fine laugh at all the dogmen who take the forfeit and run when the other dog is over 5oz. They must believe they are at a disadvantage.

And i brought up a 15lb difference to illustrate an example using humans not dogs.

Yes i have heard of david and goliath. What does that have to do with what we are talking about? Nothing because they ARE NOT MIRRORS of each other. Two different people with different skill sets and different weapons.

It was a good topic but i think the dead horse is being beaten. I've stated my OPINION and enjoyed the discussion. Thats all i have to say.

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Anyone who doesn't think any weight differenve is an advantage with ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL is insane. All things equal if you're 100% your mirror is 100%. If dog A has a slight cold his mirror has a slight cold. Track runner #1 runs a 4 minute mile today his mirror runs a 4 minute mile today.

You don't have the ability to say the same thing twice and keep your thoughts consistent.

You first said you thought a 5 oz advantage was a 100% guarantee of success.

Now you're saying it's "an advantage"

Well, no shit, I already agreed it was an advantage ... a 5 oz advantage

Your laughing at a 5oz advantage. Thats fine laugh at all the dogmen who take the forfeit and run when the other dog is over 5oz. They must believe they are at a disadvantage.

You're, not your.

Just because some dogmen run over 5 oz doesn't mean anything.

Other dogmen push weight and win.

I agree weight matters, when it's significant; we just disagree that 5 oz is "significant."

You also have yet to prove that shaved dog hair = 5 oz, which I doubt very much, so I think "shaving hair" is even less significant.

And i brought up a 15lb difference to illustrate an example using humans not dogs.

In addition to having trouble with concepts, you also have trouble with proportions and math.

15 lb = 48x greater than 5 oz

(1lb = 16 oz x 15 = 240 oz)

240/5 = 48

The average pit dog is 40 lb.
The average human fighter around 160.

This means the average person is 4x the size of the average dog (not 48x the size).
This means you are exaggerating to make a point, so let's bring you back down to reality.

If the average man is 4x the size of the average dog, then you multiply 5 oz x 4 which would = 20 oz (1.25 lb).

This means your big 5 oz "advantage" in a 40 lb bulldog is equal to a 1.25 lb (20 oz) advantage in a middleweight (160 lb) human, which again isn't shit.

Yes i have heard of david and goliath. What does that have to do with what we are talking about? Nothing because they ARE NOT MIRRORS of each other. Two different people with different skill sets and different weapons.

Even the same two people would be different. You are different now from what you were yesterday.

If you played a computer game twice, you would make different choices and get different scores.

As with your lack of understanding of everything else, you're not understanding this concept.

People are not robots who do the same things every time; they are different every single day.

It was a good topic but i think the dead horse is being beaten. I've stated my OPINION and enjoyed the discussion. Thats all i have to say.

Well, it is a good topic, but when you actually THINK about it, and use facts, 1) no one has yet to prove what dog hair weighs, and even if it weighs 5 ounces, which I very much doubt, it still doesn't do shit.

I do agree that weight is significant, when the amount of weight is significant.
But 5 oz isn't shit to a dog (and I still don't think dog hair even weighs 5 oz).

The best middleweight human fighters are not going to win/lose over a 1.25 lb difference in weight, and the best 40 lb dogs are not going to win/lose over 5 oz either.

Other factors will make the difference.

Jack