Who's The Breeder?

[Officially Retired]

If you are requiring 1 pup, or half of the litter to breed to your stud then no you are not the breeder, you offered your stud's service for the amount of pups agreed upon or a stud fee.

Agreed.

But if you partner up on a breeding and you both see to those individuals throughout their lives into maturity I think you both should be recognized as the breeder.

One is the breeder, one is the helper (associate or backer).

Here are the exact details as to the breeding that I listed with two breeders.

My buddy has a bitch, he wanted to breed to something on our yard. We've had a few sour deals in the past with him, he's grown we've grown from the experiences. Anyhow the only way we let him do the breeding was under the condition his bitch came here to be evaluated. We fed her till she came in, bred her, whelped the litter, weaned them and picked our first pup then in turn until they were all spoken for. It was a agreed none of those dogs would leave each of our hands.

So his idea, we both came to the agreement which stud under our recommendation, we cared for the bitch and whelped the litter.

He is the breeder. Period.

You didn't "come to an agreement" as "co-breeders"

He wanted to breed to your stud, and you simply imposed upon him the strictest of all possible stud terms to be able to use your stud. You forced him to let you see his bitch (to gain your approval), you forced him to turn his bitch over to you to whelp the litter over there (to ensure your own stud payment, pups), and then after all YOUR STUD DEMANDS were met, you turned his bitch back over to him after you got every part of YOUR TERMS met.

His idea, he's the breeder or we are the breeder because we did the dirty work?

He is the breeder. You forced the dirty work on yourself to make sure you got paid.

Just FYI I registered the litter with ADBA and credited both as the breeder, as I believe that is the only right way to do so, we both deserve the credit. No reason to cut one or the other out because of uniformity of digital data. If we collaborate on other future breedings they would all be batched accordingly.

Totally disagree. He is the breeder (his bitch, his desire) and "you" held him to the strictest possible stud demands you could. Nothing more.

The way the ADBA handled it isn't the "only" right way to do it, hell it isn't even right

You gave the man your terms and conditions FOR PROVIDING A STUD ... for his stated desire to breed his bitch to your stud.

Jack your place your rules I'll make the necessary note to credit the additional party.

I appreciate that.

As I said earlier, on all of these "multiple breeder" scenarios, if you pull out the ol' microscope and really look at it ... there will always be only ONE breeder ... with the rest being "associates," "backers," people "enforcing their stud fees," etc.

Thanks for the imputed guys,
S_B

No prob

Jack