I know Mr. Williams and his buddy Dan, They came to my yard years ago and bought a couple. Ive been to Don's house back when he was loving the virgil hounds.....Also gave williams a gyp named ling-a-lot......He later changed it to Gyno she was a por hound.......Her ped only says she was bred once, But I bred her before giving her to williams.....I say this because sometime you never know who knows who in this game or how far back a person travels may be......Both williams and Don class A in my book.....And yes Dan and Williams had some buck dogs and like to cross it to the virgil stuff.....I think I got them started with the Frisco hounds, given them Gyno who was Dbl bred Frisco....She was bred to trojon horse so after...she was by far the baddest cur I ever seen and owned.....