Exactly. A dog is not required to do that, to anyone who understands the rules.Originally Posted by Nut
And that is also exactly what that POS camp tried to do, was take Titere another hour, to "maybe" jeopardize his life too.
It's lowclass bullshit, nothing more, and no good ref would have let that happen.
Refs *do* have the ability to DECLARE A WINNER for precisely this reason.
Jack
Jack can you clarify this for me because I was always of the understanding that if it's your dogs turn to scratch, he has to even if the other dog is dead?? From what I gather is being said here, the referee can actually declare the winner? Maybe I've taken it up wrong, is this if no turns have been called? And is this under Cajun rules?
This is really interesting to me.
Reread the rules NO DOG has to scratch into a dead dog and this is why rule are talked over before hand. Ch Omar camp was taken like that lost their money but got the W!
Dont know if the man is a POS or not but the choice was his to pick up or not and he chose not to got respect it if we agree with it or not!
It takes real balls and a hell of a BULLDOG to travle and go into a 7XW they laid it all on the line.
It takes real balls to do the fighting yourself, not with the dog.
It does take a certain competitive spirit to travel and put the dog on the line, but it takes class and sportsmanship to recognize when the dog can't possibly win anymore and to show some respect for its life.
Having zero respect for life is not exactly a positive trait in a person.
Jack
Jack im with you 1000% on that great dog lost to the best in the world right now if they would have picked him up i would have bought him and bred him right into the rest of our stock bro! To many people are breeding for 30min ruff curs and dont understand when its such a high rate of ruff curs with in bloodlines and its because of this very reason right here GAME BULLDOGS are not giving that respect of being a living thing and saying 'You know wat buddy im a pick u up and get some sons off your stupid game ass and still be kicking ass 20 years from now'!
Not every one thinks like that and the breed suffers.It was a post on here not long ago were the topic was knowing when to pick up and save a great hound to breed around!
Also it take hell of balls to get in there after the dogs are done and handle any difference two men my have and even more of a man to get up and shake the others hand and have a beer! Lol
Also Jack when we first brought GrCh El Titere to light I felt like you had your doubts about him. Correct me if im wrong but are you now a believer? Im sure you have to be leaning towards a 100% fan of him as he is the P.B.B first dog of the year?
Agreed. Game losers have, in many cases, been some of the best-producing, most influential stud dogs in the history of the game.
That's why they never amount to anything as breeders. The skills to win are vital, no doubt.
But when a dog is skilled enough to compete with the best for over an hour ... and then is also game enough never to quit to a killing ... that dog is, literally, worth its weight in gold as a potential stud dog qualified as possessing the most vital trait of all: gameness.
It's always better to shake hands, have a beer, and make a new friend ... than an enemy, true.
Nope. On the first thread about Titere here, Lakota Kennels (Frosty Paws) kinda sneered at Titere, because he beat a prior loser, and I was ambivalent (undecided) about him, because I didn't know enough about him. However, I actually stuck up for him ... based on the fact that, just because he beat a dog that had previously lost, doesn't mean that the winning dog was bad (or even the loser was bad). The greats have all lost (Ali, Louis, Robinson) ... doesn't mean they're bad fighters at all.
I certainly didn't think he was "the best ever" back then, but he also hadn't done all of his deals at that point either.
Did my arguing two 14-page battles on PedsOnline, saying he was robbed of the DOY title, and participating in another debate on here ... ultimately creating a whole new DOY title myself ... just to give the dog his due ... give you the idea that I 'might be' a believer?
Huge fan of the dog, no doubt.
Jack
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Hi. The rules directly state no dog has to scratch into a dead dog.
The whole point of the Cajun rules (scratching), as opposed to just leaving them down until 1 is dead, is to AVOID death.
The referee can't "declare a winner" if two dogs are still fighting, but if one dog is gone and just being dragged around the pit dead, he can declare a winner like that.
In any case, anyone leaving his dog down to die isn't exactly the height of "class" and "sportsmanship."
Jack
Thanks for the reply. I've read a couple versions of the Cajun rules and can't seem to find where it says a dog doesn't have to scratch to a dead dog or where it says the referee can declare a winner. Can somebody post the version of the rules that states that?
I agree with sportsmanship and leaving a dead dog down is not sportsmanship. I believe when your kills another dog in the square it's done exactly what it's come to do, anybody that would try cheat that dog out of the win through cheap tricks is a low life. You need to know when your beat and do right by your animal.
You're going to have to look in one of the older, physical books.
Back in the 90s there were several sites with the original rules.
I just looked around now, too, and all the 'modern' online versions seem to have this omitted, which is bullshit.
Check one of the Stratton books, or any of the older books, that contain a conscientious rendering of the rules, not one of these modern bubble-gum sites.
Jack
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