Good thing about your site jack, we can agree to disagree. I see what you're saying about schooling the hound out first. My thing is if the dog didnt show any willingness to continue, i dont think its worth my time to continue schooling before passing judgement. Im not expecting to see a miracle the first time out but what i am expecting to see is a willingness to compete. If that's not there then IMO i have no use for you. If hound a would have continued, i wouldve been happy... even with the butter mouth cause she showed style and smarts..... again jack... i dont want you to get me wrong, these dogs are 3 years old and i know about some mature faster than others and all that but not around here. 3 is the cut off.