GR CH GRIP

[Officially Retired]

If it's a waste of typing, that's your opinion and we all are entitled to have one. It wasn't an outburst at all, I thought all of us folks commenting were having a conversation.

There is a difference between having a conversation, that moves forward to productive ends ... based on what was actually said ... and a conversation that spirals down the shitter, and goes nowhere, because one is forced to debate/argue over some falsely-introduced bullshit that was never said

No one ever questioned Grip's worth as an animal, or claimed he was an "over-hyped" bum, or anything of the sort.

What was actually said (and what was almost unanimous) was that, when compared to Gr Ch Titere, Grip (fine as his accomplishment in 2014 was) did not do enough to get the DOY title. Not here anyway. Not compared to what Titere did. And not according to most.

Wasn't a challenge to anybody opinion or what they thought was right or wrong. I didn't say you accused Grip of being a hyped, not sure why you took what i said as that but no I never said anybody said those words, I was simply stating the camp is out to prove that he isn't some bum.

You did introduce the concept of Grip "not being some bum," before, and you did it again here. No one said or implied this.

The SDJ isn't my mag, so i didn't have any say so, nor did i have the ultimate say so in any other mag. It's all just for fun, it wasn't close in your mind but in several barns over several different places it was a contest and many felt several dogs were definitely up for mention but Titere beat a former GrCH who was also DOY which just gave it more juice to some. Grip won over a former GrCh and according to the point system he earned DOY. I don't think SDJ was far left in the field he was just a stickler to that system which doesn't bring into account other things that we as humans can add. Again no matter who won it, they would have my congrats and Titere was deserving as I felt other dogs were also.

The SDJ sticking to some ancient system, and not being able to actually think on his own, is WHY he was in left field. I am not sure how beating an 8-year old Grand Champion is a "higher" accomplishment in any system than beating a peer, still competitive Gr Ch, that was also DOY in your own magazine the previous year. This shows an inability to think on one's own. (In fact, Nietzsche once said, "The will to a system is a lack of integrity."

That would be like giving a current Heavyweight title-holder the "Fighter of the Year" award for beating former heavyweight champ Larry Holmes (coming out of retirement), over another Heavyweight beating another current Heavyweight Champ, and unifying the title. It's a freaking joke to compare the two, really.

I'm not comparing JK system of choosing DOY or ROM to this database in the least. I've seen the beauty of this board and think it's great. I'm not comparing Grip beating an 7 year old 8xw(at the time of contest if I'm not mistaken) vs Titere beating former GrCh Homer DOY, who wasn't quite 8 but he wasn't far from it neither, he made Ch back in 2009 or 2010 and GrCh by 2011 starting at 38 before moving up the weight chart. The only difference was one man went by a system and the others went by human vote. I say congrats to both of them, almost a shame they are so far apart in weight. Homer wasn't 8 but he was no spring chicken but Titere did what not many can ever imagine doing, beat a GrCh DOY with their own GrCh DOY. That's history so I understand clearly why Titere was majority's vote.

I don't know how old Titere is himself, but he won 7 (beating a fellow 6xW and DOY), so he can't be a spring chicken himself ... and he pushed 2 lb to do it, let's not forget that

Yes April certainly earned her keep, she beat 2 Ch's which is great, I think most overlooked her because most consider DOY for those who blow out the comp, she made runner up here but didn't make top 10 on most other lists, Cap made Top 3 on every list I seen and some believed minus Titere beating a GRCH DOY, she might of pulled it off. It was a very good year and this year is shaping up to be even better.

DOY has never been about "blowing out the comp," it's been about the most accomplishments for that year ... and April, by beating TWO Champions ... and by being one of the rare few to go passed the 3-hour mark ... certainly did more than ANY other dog for the year of 2014, including Titere, it just was not quite as historically-significant.

But she certainly had the most productive year of any dog I know of, more so than Grip, more so than Capoeira, just not Titere.

Jack