You nailed it on the head Jack. You got to have excellent breathing, rugged athletic type dogs with big bones, and strong teeth help a lot too. If you do not have a healthy animal from the brood bitches belly to the dog show. You just can not put a inferior animal in better shape over a well cared for one even if one knows how.

The dog men that know how, not necessary me either, will walk around those type of uncared for dogs. I do not wish to become to brash. A few young dog men that came to me asking questions. I always stressed learn proper dog care first, be selective with any dogs or puppies. How the dog yard looked over all that you are going to get the dogs from.

When they were ready to rumble one in the jungle. Go find those dog men that kept flies & dog feces filled yards and wormy looking dogs and pups. Believe me they were out there. I could only shutter and think to myself. Glad I am not a dog belonging to you. LOL Suggested practice on them till you perfect your keep etc. before jumping on a good dog man that cares for their animals. LOL Cheers