No disrespect, and not taking anything away from the Grand Champ. I did not mean that in a negative way whatsoever. Basically it appears random to anyone from the outside looking in. It has been stated when these breedings took place there was a vision. Clearly that panned out and I'm sure far better than expected.

I know of a similar type breeding WILL-RICH'S LITTLE FUCKER 5XW this was a great dog I had the pleasure of seeing a few times. I never bred to him because of how he was bred. I didn't have the vision those guys did and I'm told he produced pretty well.

Like Jack has stated if you use the tools from within your pedigree you should be able to maintain success. I wish the folks involved with this great dog success. It's all to often those stand out's get forgotten or don't produce because of breeding decisions. To those visions past Titere and beyond.

Best of luck,
S_B