Quote Originally Posted by EGK View Post
What really gets me is that Titere is really 3/4 line bred Chinaman other than the touches of Hammond and Eli it's consistently brought back chinaman. Even Chinaman brother Boy to his mom is part it his ped. Looking at his I went and did a test breeding of a male back to his mom that was 44.3% coefficient and the same dog bred to his mom sister was only 19.8% coefficient. To me Titere is bred much tighter than the names and coefficiency system tells. Had this discussion with a buddy last night that saw Titere. He said he didnt think Titere would really produce. I really begged to differ. Had my shot I guess to breed to him when he was a 2xw. I just want to be on record as saying I believe Titere will produce. Just look at the 3/4 outside of the very top 1/4.

I agree with you.

I have posted elsewhere that I think the Redboy in Titere is more of a "fluke" than anything else, as there are many multi-winning, Champion-defeating, 5-7xW linebred Chinaman-type dogs, but it would be a long search to find such a multi-winning purebred Redboy dog

Rather than be heavily bred on a particular Chinaman dog, there are many different "Chinaman dogs in general" back behind Titere, with the Boomer out and the pinch of Hammonds, which is mostly Carver blood anyway. Titere is definitely the type of dog to "drop anchor" with. If it is possible to breed him back to his mother, or one of her sisters, I would do it in a heartbeat. Or a littermate sister to his father. Anything I could do to preserve/replicate that "genetic mix" is something I would most definitely be in the process of doing.

Whoever says that you "can't breed dogs too tight" and win at the top of the food chain needs to re-read my post 5 posts ago ... and then read the top post and study the fact that 5 out of 7 dogs which received our Highest Honors this year are line- to inbred animals. A man could literally spend the rest of his life line- and inbreeding on Titere and never go "too tight" with him ... but they could isolate and harness his genetic superiority with the right line/inbreeding decisions, and by keeping and going forward with the right individuals.

I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time trying "new crosses" with Titere, who is already an amalgamation of crosses himself. I would be trying to preserve and replicate him, by using his closest relatives, and making sure the most promising pups get into the most capable hands, who also know how to take care of pups.

Another thing about breeding dogs to remember, when dealing with cross-type dogs, is your first effort to inbreed might be disappointing ... but if you linebreed it back again, you get what you're hoping for

That is a step most people can't accept or won't take ... the proverbial gold-digger who stops 3' from a vein of gold, and goes home (treasure undiscovered) because "it didn't pan out so far" ...

Jack