Are we doing a separate poll for kennels of the year? We get a few nominations goin.
YES: Gameness is the essence of the breed, and dogs who show it to the extreme are deserving.
NO: The DOY title should only be about performance.
Are we doing a separate poll for kennels of the year? We get a few nominations goin.
Jack, point noted. And for the record, I do agree with that. Great clarification.
To clarify my point, to a further extent, I believe there is more ability in dogs of today than yesterday. Specifically mouth. There are dogs out there taking the entire face off of hogs and it is a more frequent occurrence than it ever was before. Dogs taking the entire front legs off of hogs. This happens frequently while I don't hear too much about that kind of thing going on in the past. To be consistent, I believe there are more curs now than ever before as well due to specificity to breeding to ability too much (mouth specifically).
But your point, noted, appreciated and I agree.
Cite whatever examples & alleged "proof" you like & the response is always & forever the same. Legends are legends & can beat anything at any time; that's why they're legends. You shouldn't punish an athlete for the era he/she played or fought in. Your opinion is your own; mine is mine.
Look at what you said above Sta8. You said that "legends can beat anything at any time; that's why they're legends" and then you go on to state "you shouldn't punish an athlete for the era he/she played or fought in"
Which is it? Can they beat anyone any time or just the ones they competed against in their era? Personally, I get your "legend" qualification. I get that they are a legend b/c of what they did in the time they did it in. However, that does not guarantee they would make the starting line up TODAY or in another era. I won't hold their era against them but I won't say they could have done the same in a different era. If we can all agree a dog could not or would not make the same strides in different hands, keep, a different weight, etc. then how in the world do we qualify that animal as making the grade in a completely different day and age?
Legends truly are legends b/c of what they did, against who they did it against and how and when they did it. However, as magnificent as they are/were in their era, nothing guarantees they would do the same against a different opponent in a different day and age.
Honestly, I think we are all on about 9 out of 10 the same pages, but just a few critical differences. Oh yeah, I ain't no fucking kid either pops!
Legends can beat anyone at any time (note: this is NOT the same thing as saying they will win...but they surely can, no matter the era the dog they are facing hails from) I don't know why you are having trouble w/this concept. There is NO guarantee that any dog from this era (I don't care how great he is) could beat one from days gone by, surely not one of the old aces. It's just that simple. It's why they call it gambling, son.Originally Posted by No Quarter Kennel
Nothing guarantees any starting lineup (whatever that is) to any dog from any era. Just b/c a dog is a modern day legend does not guarantee they would make the "starting lineup" IN ANOTHER ERA. To put it another way: whoever your personal choice of "ace of aces" is this year is NOT guaranteed to beat any one of the old timey aces. He might win, sure...but then again, he might not. You pays your $ & you takes your chances. There is no "proof" of anything you have alleged about "new being better than old." Good ones & bad ones are where you find em. In any year.
And I won't hold today's dogs era against them, but I won't say they could have done the same in days gone by. We are even there.
The only guy who is trying to "qualify that animal as making the grade in a completely different day & age" here is you. My point was that you have no idea about whether or not a dog of today could whip a dog of yesterday. You'd need to level the weights, erase the years, put em in a keep, then set em down (for $$$). And since no one can do that, all you are doing is speculating. I'll say it again: aces are aces.
Today's great dogs are great b/c of what they did against who they did it against & how & when they did it. However, as magnificent as they are in their day (today), nothing guarantees they would do the same against a different opponent in a different day & age. Again, we are even here.
Anybody who makes an inane argument like "an athlete of today is, by that very reason of "today," superior to LEGENDS of days gone by" hasn't demonstrated the maturity not to be called a kid!Oh yeah, I ain't no fucking kid either pops!
Let's be cool.Anybody who makes an inane argument like "an athlete of today is, by that very reason of "today," superior to LEGENDS of days gone by" hasn't demonstrated the maturity not to be called a kid!
I actually agree with you that today's dogs are no better than yesterday's dogs ... but NQK is not a kid ... and he is entitled to have his own opinion on a subject.
I believe that today's dogs simply have better nutrition/conditioning knowledge behind them but are ultimately are no different/better than yesterday's dogs, in general.
Jack
Never wasn't cool, Jack. He was the guy who started using profanity. I was simply defending a position. From a fellow that made it clear he had his opinion...so I simply stated mine.
And thank you for agreeing w/me, I appreciate that.
I apologize for any consternation or trouble I may have caused. Not my intent. Only wanted to get my point across, & it seems I have.
S'a nice thread too, by the by.
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