Quote Originally Posted by MISTER View Post
Gameness is something we all want our dogs to have but many times a dog that shows extreme gameness is on the losing side of the contest. Some do show that gameness and come out the winner and either case are awarded GIS. Doy is reserved to that special animal who shows that ability to not really get put behind and win convincingly in each and every contest such as the Titere's, The Awesome Beasts, the Barracudas. Doy is reserved for those truly special animals who IMO don't have to show extreme gameness
Quote Originally Posted by S_B View Post
They have a title of their own Jack, GIS. Like Mister said some of the gamest dogs to ever crawl didn't' have the ability to win. Often times when a dog shows extremely game they either were outclassed ability wise or they were neutralized by an equal opponent.

S_B

I guess no one actrually read what I said, so, once again, we already have titles for "ability" also: do not the titles of BIS / Ch / Gr Ch already reward ability?

So, following your logic, why do we even need DOY?

Isn't Dog of the Year to separate the best-of-the-best?

If we're going to go over and above the already-existing titles of BIS/CH/GR CH, and add another title (Dog of the Year) ... for ability ... why don't we *also* give some extra title to the extremest of extreme game dogs for all the GIS winners?

Also, to say that just because a dog lost, "it doesn't have the ability to win," is a pretty far stretch.

Ozzie's Homer didn't have the ability to win, against Jeep, at 2 lb below his best weight, C/H by Stepps (as opposed to fighting at his best weight 44 lb, in Ozzie's hands), but that doesn't mean Ch Homer "didn't have the ability to win" ... AT ALL ... Homer just didn't have it that day, at that weight, in those hands. But his gameness was so extreme as to be remembered, historically, more than 99.99% of any Gr Ch ever.

So let me say this again: we already have titles for ability: CH/Gr Ch/BIS ... and DOY ... that is 4 different ways to confer glory to winners ... and yet we only have ONE way to confer glory to our GAME dogs

That sucks IMO.

Why shouldn't there be equal consideration given to the extremest of game dogs of our sport?

The more I think about it, the more the title of Game Dog of the Year is a title that is long, long, long overdue

Jack