Quote Originally Posted by gotap_d View Post
As for mayday and machobuck they may have beat first time outs for their gr ch but in my opinion it boils down to what competitors owned those first time outs and what did all the other dogs up for doy discussion do that year?
When Hardcore Kennels beat David Tant with Ch Doogie (3xW), to earn Doogie the DOY status, he at least beat Tant's Ch Rocko (4xW).

So you're saying Mayday really did deserve DOY status for forcing David Tant to pick up a 0xW in an hour?
You're saying that is in the same league and ballpark? Really?
In your judgement you are prepared to say "forcing a guy to pick up a 0x winner in an hour" really was "the best accomplishment" of any dog in 1996?

And with Gr Ch Machobuck, you're saying he deserved DOY status for beating "old man Jacobs'" 0x winner in 1:20 also?

Is beating Jacobs an accomplishment?
I know 3 people who have beat Jacobs, 2 of which with my dogs, but that doesn't mean either they (or my dogs) deserve DOY status for beating an old man with a 0x/1xW.

Shouldn't the DOY Designation be for "something more" than beating old men with 0xWs?

Shouldn't the DOY title be about THE VERY BEST FACING THE VERY BEST?

If there aren't Grand Champions versus Grand Champions in that year, shouldn't there at least be Champions beating Champions ... or something great beating something great?

Why else should there be a DOY status?

If 5xWs are going to face 0xWs to earn their 5xW status ... okay, they became 5xWs (and deserve their titles) but do they also deserve DOY status?
Are they even trying to impress, or are they just "wanting to make sure they get 5?"

Hell, even Jack Kelly stipulated that 3 out of the 5 matches had to be against winners/known kennels, precisely so people wouldn't pad their records.

Jack