View Poll Results: Are Cheap Pups Good for the Breed?

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  • Yes. Low $$ reflects an honest, working-man price and target market.

    16 35.56%
  • No. Selling cheap pups is a disgrace to the breed, and to yourself, to sell at "newspaper" prices.

    29 64.44%
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Thread: $200 PUPS = GOOD "WORKING MAN" PRICE ... OR A DISGRACE TO THE BREED???

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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by loot View Post
    No matter how much or how little someone pays for a pup we all know they all don't turn out.
    Hear this all the time. And, in a sense, it's true.

    However, they especially don't all turn out when you breed low-percentage, ill-bred dogs together. (Not saying you, but in general.)

    By contrast, you can fix your gene pool to where you get all (or most all) of them to turn out, IF you linebreed off excellent individuals, from high-percentage litters.

    There are certain dogs that produce so well, MOST of what they put down is game ... and even when you face one of the few curs ... they don't just roll over, you really gotta really whip them too ... if you can.



    Quote Originally Posted by loot View Post
    An the old saying is still true to this day the good one's are where you find them.
    Hear this all the time, and in a sense that's true too ... but still addled.

    Many people are confused as to "how" to produce good dogs ... hence all they talk about is "finding" good dogs, since they can't figure out how to reliably produce them.

    But some people really do know how to produce good dogs, all the time, in every litter. They have the gene pool to do this, and the knowledge of how to manage it, so they can keep doing this.

    After my third year breeding dogs, I never at any time, had problems producing BY FAR more good dogs tham bad, and by a country mile.

    Time and again I have seen people come out with stuff that can't even be properly called "bulldogs," so far are they from legitimately good dogs.

    I could see how folks like that are always trying to "find" good dogs, but I know (not "think," KNOW) I will always *always* be able to produce more game dogs than bad dogs, every single time I make a breeding, bar none.

    And if a person can't say that, they're working with the wrong stuff IMO.

    Not saying you, but just in general.



    Quote Originally Posted by loot View Post
    I got most of my pups and older dogs from 1 person. He guarantee to replace a pup that didn't turn out to do what he said it should. The guarantee kept me going back.
    I have had a replacement guarantee also ... and almost never have had to use it.

    The thing that kept people coming back to me wasn't "all the curs" I replaced () ... it was the fact what they bought was game and good ... and they wanted MORE of that



    Quote Originally Posted by loot View Post
    Then the price started going down. Over time I didn't need nothing but gas money to go an pick them up.
    And that's the way it should be

    Once a person proves themselves a good handler/caregiver, most breeders will give them dogs, let them breed to their studs, etc.

    Jack

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    Hear this all the time. And, in a sense, it's true.

    However, they especially don't all turn out when you breed low-percentage, ill-bred dogs together. (Not saying you, but in general.)

    By contrast, you can fix your gene pool to where you get all (or most all) of them to turn out, IF you linebreed off excellent individuals, from high-percentage litters.

    There are certain dogs that produce so well, MOST of what they put down is game ... and even when you face one of the few curs ... they don't just roll over, you really gotta really whip them too ... if you can.





    Hear this all the time, and in a sense that's true too ... but still addled.

    Many people are confused as to "how" to produce good dogs ... hence all they talk about is "finding" good dogs, since they can't figure out how to reliably produce them.

    But some people really do know how to produce good dogs, all the time, in every litter. They have the gene pool to do this, and the knowledge of how to manage it, so they can keep doing this.

    After my third year breeding dogs, I never at any time, had problems producing BY FAR more good dogs tham bad, and by a country mile.

    Time and again I have seen people come out with stuff that can't even be properly called "bulldogs," so far are they from legitimately good dogs.

    I could see how folks like that are always trying to "find" good dogs, but I know (not "think," KNOW) I will always *always* be able to produce more game dogs than bad dogs, every single time I make a breeding, bar none.

    And if a person can't say that, they're working with the wrong stuff IMO.

    Not saying you, but just in general.





    I have had a replacement guarantee also ... and almost never have had to use it.

    The thing that kept people coming back to me wasn't "all the curs" I replaced () ... it was the fact what they bought was game and good ... and they wanted MORE of that





    And that's the way it should be

    Once a person proves themselves a good handler/caregiver, most breeders will give them dogs, let them breed to their studs, etc.

    Jack
    I agree with what you are saying.

  3. #3
    The risk, time, and money put in to producing quality dogs deserves to be returned. I'd gladly pay 1000 dollars for an honest dog from an honest man.

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