It's hard to describe how these dogs would go in a show, they where one track mind, to stupid to take a head hold. But the worst part was that they wouldn't be bet for wind, they're body's would just give up on them. They where 20 minute dogs, we once had one go 40 and have it all his own way, and after the show we where lucky to save him, you'd swear he'd just had a 2 hour war.