Thanks for all information that was given Jack,and no i really dont think i got it all together. Im eagerly trying to learn and have read the wright coeffiecient link. Im learning things bout this site all the time and tries to use it as an advantage. One of the most important things i have learned,to be clear with my questioning. i dont know any man that feels good about being made to feel like a dumb ass whether its meant that way or not. And for that I truly apoloize and I have learned a lesson.