Hello Wheatie, if you have access to this dog. Is a game dog with traits you like. Try this dog id = 11154, OTRK's DJ. Did you get the Pay Day's Pretty Girl bitch, dog id = 41982 bred? If you are allowed to breed this Pay Day's Pretty Girl again.

I would seriously look at one of the straight bred Vise Grip stud dogs with no out, and if any out, another Carver out in it's pedigree. Would contact the owner of the Pretty Girl bitch. Try to find that other male sibling dog. I understand these dogs are around 8 to 9 years old now. Once again if a good made up game male sibling dog etc. Would do one brother/sister breeding to preserve this old Carver family of dogs.

CA.Jack check out this breeding on this Pay day's Pretty Girl bitch dog id = 41982. There is a picture of her on the on lines pedigree site. Listed as POP Pretty Girl. Would be nice if her picture could be added to her pedigree on here. Typical Carver looking bitch. Knowing how your dogs are bred and the Reuben dog pedigree etc. Sure you can see where I am going with a Vise Grip breeding to this particular Cox/ R. Hyde bred bitch. Just maybe a whole litter of Poncho pups. Unless I missed something in the over all dogs listed in the pedigree. LOL Cheers

P.S. Wheatie double check those pedigrees. I had entered that bitch as Pop's Pretty Girl. All you had to do if you wanted the Pay Day's Pretty Girl. Is just change the registered name and note how it is shown over on the on lines pedigree site in the narrative section. To avoid a duplicate pedigree. Have corrected along with spelling. Be careful Jack will get you, has gotten me before. LOL Cheers