The Lemm Keep

[Officially Retired]

I believe if you're able to use one conditioning device, it would be a jenny over a mill. That being said, many keeps have the mill as the main part of their keep.

Agreed. Twice.

So I don't necessarily agree that a jenny keep beats a mill one "no matter what".

Of course not.

The lamest jenny keep on the most haphazard jenny-contraption ... versus an optimal keep done on a truly good mill (like the Curios mill) ... is going to be much to the favor of the mill-trained dog.

However, best-to-best will always favor the jenny.

When I used the jenny, I never used a counterweight as the type of strength training I wanted to do was more intense than simply a counterweight.

I agree. The weightpull aspect of my keep is far more explosive, and exhausting, than a counter-weight on a jenny.

While I agree with the jist of the posts, I'll only say there have been many Grand Champions and DOYs that were worked on mills. Could they have been in better shape?

True.

But, their being Grand Champions had more to do with their talent than anything else ... not a mill.

And I would say that, if they weren't strength-trained to a degree, then yes, they could almost assuredly have come in better. Not to mention their competition was likely on a mill too.

Either way, I don't anyone can discount a keep done on a mill by an individual that knows specifically how to get the most from his dog using that particular keep.

Especially if he knows what a good dog is

That is why I have the mill keep; it can put a dog in really good shape; but not is its absolute best shape.

Jack

[realitytv]

The best surface I've seen for the jenny track is rice hulls. Spray it down with water to keep it moist and rake before using.....great for the pads