Centipede. Clouse. Patrick. Maloney. Hollingsworth.

Just connecting my favorite thread on this topic. It's the thread on a sweater that if pulled unravels the myth of what is called current day the OFRN blood. William's, Hemphill, Clouse all dogs that are in the background and the basis of a lot Maloney, Hollingsworth Patrick & even Carver Blood and most any great bloodline of today. (Pull the thread on Hanson's Amber girl to Gr Ch William's Red)

Like Dibo is to The current gamedog, so is Centipede
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Specifically Poncho

Bolio has a sizable portion of his ancestors that lead to the William's and which leads to then the Lightner blood that's behind a lot of what they call OFRN

And then once we hit the bottom side with Lady in red and see Miss Tuffy again the paralell is clear. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum....php?dog_id=78

Just look at Patrick's Goldy
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Our predecessors used the supposed OFRN blood just as much if not more than the so called OFRN families today.
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I can not answer in regards to Jack's successful breedings, but the common ancestors coming off working blood always make for a good recipe.

Vise Grip Red Angel

Pull the thread
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P.S. Pull the thread on the supposed pure OFRN and you will find Trahan's Rascal and Corvino's stock and Colby's Pincher are just as much the base to their line as any other.!! With their, of course undeniable emphasis on Centipede. That to me is the difference and if it's working blood it's working blood.