THE BADDEST DOGS IN HISTORY

[evolutionkennels]

To be honest, I think Joey's win over Gr Ch Texas was bullshit.

I wasn't there, but I did see the video, and Roadblock was a lowdown, dirty, cheating handler ... whose antics (and not anything great about Joey) won the fight that night.

Truth be told, Texas was outclassing the shit out of a one-dimensional Joey, riding his head and making an ass out of the dog ... but every time Texas would wrestle Joey to the floor, Roadblock would yell, "My dog's fanged! My dog's fanged!", and every time Joey would get a break. Why? Because the idiot ref would actually SEPARATE THE DOGS (he's not supposed to!) ... and Joey would not be fanged ... and so after each bullshit, artificial separation (always when Texas was in absolute control and a mile ahead) they would "release" the dogs into each other ... and Joey would hit Texas hard in the chest. (And, quite frankly, Kirkland was an idiot for allowing this to happen, NOT saying anything, and letting his little dog get REPEATEDLY blasted in the chest like that.)

After Joey would hit Texas in the chest, Texas would get him out, and then proceed to outclass the shit out of a basically one-dimensional Joey ... and every time Joey looked like a helpless POS, or went down, Roadblock would once again scream, "My dog's fanged! My dog's fanged!", and every time the idiot ref would break the dogs loose ... get Joey back in the game ... and on every ARTIFICIAL release Joey would get a real deep chesthold on Texas ... and it finally got to the little dog, and he started to wilt ... and Texas finally lost the fight ... basically, he was cheated out of an easy win.

IMO, if Roadblock would have been a good sport, and not a cheating POS ... and if the ref would have known the rules and NOT broken the dogs and called BULSHIT after the first two times he saw there was nothing wrong ... and if Kirkland would have had the nutsack to say something Roadblock ... Texas would have whipped the shit out of Joey IMO, if people would have stayed out of it and let THE DOGS decide the outcome.

So, yeah, Joey has a great "record" ... but, after having seen him go, I don't think he's all that. My opinion is that last deal was nothing but pure BS, and I think Texas was the better dog done wrong.

Jack

Agreed

[ragedog10]

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[ragedog10]

To be honest, I think Joey's win over Gr Ch Texas was bullshit.

I wasn't there, but I did see the video, and Roadblock was a lowdown, dirty, cheating handler ... whose antics (and not anything great about Joey) won the fight that night.

Truth be told, Texas was outclassing the shit out of a one-dimensional Joey, riding his head and making an ass out of the dog ... but every time Texas would wrestle Joey to the floor, Roadblock would yell, "My dog's fanged! My dog's fanged!", and every time Joey would get a break. Why? Because the idiot ref would actually SEPARATE THE DOGS (he's not supposed to!) ... and Joey would not be fanged ... and so after each bullshit, artificial separation (always when Texas was in absolute control and a mile ahead) they would "release" the dogs into each other ... and Joey would hit Texas hard in the chest. (And, quite frankly, Kirkland was an idiot for allowing this to happen, NOT saying anything, and letting his little dog get REPEATEDLY blasted in the chest like that.)

After Joey would hit Texas in the chest, Texas would get him out, and then proceed to outclass the shit out of a basically one-dimensional Joey ... and every time Joey looked like a helpless POS, or went down, Roadblock would once again scream, "My dog's fanged! My dog's fanged!", and every time the idiot ref would break the dogs loose ... get Joey back in the game ... and on every ARTIFICIAL release Joey would get a real deep chesthold on Texas ... and it finally got to the little dog, and he started to wilt ... and Texas finally lost the fight ... basically, he was cheated out of an easy win.

IMO, if Roadblock would have been a good sport, and not a cheating POS ... and if the ref would have known the rules and NOT broken the dogs and called BULSHIT after the first two times he saw there was nothing wrong ... and if Kirkland would have had the nutsack to say something Roadblock ... Texas would have whipped the shit out of Joey , if people would have stayed out of it and let THE DOGS decide the outcome.

So, yeah, Joey has a great "record" ... but, after having seen him go, I don't think he's all that. My opinion is that last deal was nothing but pure BS, and I think Texas was the better dog done wrong.

Jack.... I do not agree with those tactics was it cheating or great handling seeing how the ref let go and the opponent never spoke up?

[Officially Retired]

Jack.... I do not agree with those tactics was it cheating or great handling seeing how the ref let go and the opponent never spoke up?

That is a very simple question to answer:

Great handling = great tactics displayed that are WITHIN the rules

Cheating = getting away with bullshit NOT accepted within the rules

So you can answer your own question on the Joey matter, I am sure

[Officially Retired]

Jack.... I do not agree with those tactics was it cheating or great handling seeing how the ref let go and the opponent never spoke up?

We can go on down the line with your question:

If I get away with stealing weight at the scale, is that "great handling" or is it cheating?

If I get away with feeding your dog acepromazine in a burger bit, by putting it out where I tell you to "walk your dog" before the show, was that "great handling," or was it cheating?

If I get away with bumping my dog on his turn to go, which prompts him to scratch, is that "great handling," or is it cheating?

Cheating = cheating
Which means getting away with something you're NOT supposed to do.

By contrast, truly great handling would be me catching my dog up from the bottom, on a split-second out of hold, getting the scratching started ... and your dog failing to scratch ... and me winning with the bottom dog thanks to my LEGAL handle.

Is is called GREAT handling, precisely because IT WAS POSITIVE ... 1) it took speed, 2) it took skill, 3) it took savvy and experience to spot the right moment, and most importantly, 4) IT WAS ALLOWED within the rules of the contest ...

To call ANY form of cheating "great" anything is to SPIT ON the word, "great."

Cheating = lowdown, dirty bullshit ... and there is nothing "great" about it.

Jack

[ragedog10]

Of course its cheating and for that I blame Texas handler for a match of that magnitude a better Ref should have been choosen and Kirkland let his down by not speaking up. We all know from a historical standpoint some will try to get any advantages possible. As you the false fangings give Joey a chance to get in a punish. Any hoot back to the topic at hand.

[ragedog10]

In my eyes Texas handler failed him.

[skipper]

I would use every trick i can to give my dog an edge. But never to the extent were it hurts the other dog. Like jack wrote possibly poisoning or some shit like that. Being a bit of an asshole in the pit is part of the game, and its up to the opponent to catch it and point it to the ref.

[Officially Retired]

Of course its cheating and for that I blame Texas handler for a match of that magnitude a better Ref should have been choosen and Kirkland let his down by not speaking up. We all know from a historical standpoint some will try to get any advantages possible. As you the false fangings give Joey a chance to get in a punish. Any hoot back to the topic at hand.

In my eyes Texas handler failed him.

Yes!

Still, as I said in the beginning, all of the above are true: Roadblock is a lowdown dirty POS, the ref is a freakin idiot who doesn't understand the very rules he's supposed to enforce, and Kirkland failed his dog on many levels (ref selection, the eye/balls to see what's going on and to refuse to put up with it, etc.).

[Officially Retired]

I would use every trick i can to give my dog an edge. But never to the extent were it hurts the other dog. Like jack wrote possibly poisoning or some shit like that. Being a bit of an asshole in the pit is part of the game, and its up to the opponent to catch it and point it to the ref.

There is a BIG difference from being an asshole and being a cheat.

I could be a huge asshole in the pit. For example, if my dog was doing well (and they usually did, lol), I would say, "I thought you said your dogs have talent?", etc.

But I have NEVER been a cheat. My ego, and HONEST desire to see WHICH DOG truly is superior won't allow it.

I don't have a big match career, but I have rolled with many of the best dogmen from a lot of different states.

When checking my dogs, if my dog can't legitimately beat your dog, then I need to know that in order to breed dogs capable of winning.
No way in hell would I be satisfied with a bullshit win OR with a dog that needed one.

But if my dog is kicking your dog's ass, then (sorry) you might have to listen to some shit