Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

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Try me !you never know he might be right or he might be wrong ,but he can sure ask a few about Cody
Well jack if all these facts show the facts on all your wins !and tell us how you got poncho and those other 2 pitbulls to ride in the front seat of your truck together ,you know like when you came by the house .i truly was impressed by. That .

You are a stupid man Sonny.
I told you not to keep running your mouth, but to please just stick to the facts, and you are too stupid to listen..

I've never had 3 pit bulls riding in the front seat, but I have had 2.
I guess you're also too stupid to realize that 2 badass pit bulls can be friends with each other, IF they're socialized, and IF they're the opposite sex.
But this has nothing to do with the subject.

I have asked you either to provide some FACTS, or to admit they don't exist.
You keep mentioning greenhorns, telling me to "ask somebody," and all kinds of evasive, subject-changing bullshit.
Then you tell "me" to put up "my" wins.
I will gladly compare the number of Champions and better that have come down from my dogs, but WHY DIDN'T YOU WHEN I ASKED?

Sonny, there has never been a single multi-winning dog down from YOUR line, ever.
There have been multiple such dogs down from mine. But, again, this has nothing to do with the topic.

The topic, which YOU started, stated that RBJ dogs "kill the most" and that "all the good ones" are of this combination.

I think it has been CLEARLY shown that both claims are baseless and wrong.

Now, all you're doing is attacking me, saying "I" entered all the dogs in here, and all kinds of childish, stupid shit.

I warned you to stop this nonsense, to keep this bullshit out of here, and to please just stick to THE FACTS ... and either PRODUCE THE DOGS or to ADMIT THEY DON'T EXIST.

Nothing is stopping YOU from entering in some pure RBJ dogs that have also won 6, 7, 8, and 9 shows, as I have done with pure Carver dogs and Carver/Clouse dogs.
(I didn't even bother to do this with Eli/Carver dogs because there's too many of them to do.)

You are simply a liar, a cheerleader, and canNOT have a reasonable, factual discussion based on actual historical data.

And that is a shame, but your ass is out of here for the next month.

See ya.

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Is it me or is jack just trying to get somebody to say. They fight dogs ,or give up names .i may be wrong but that is what seems like .but jack you are a smart boy look them up,you will probably find some .if you was talking about hogs I could tell you a few ,,but the fighting part is out of my league .

It's you Sonny. You're a lowlife who introduces bullshit into a discussion.

The dogs I am talking about are LONG DEAD and nobody is "in danger" for making a list of dead dogs and their accomplishments.

If you don't want to talk about bulldogs online, then don't get online and talk about them.
But if you DO talk about them, and if you DO make great big, outlandish claims about what you have, then expect to be taken to task and back up your mouth.

The truth is, you don't mind running your mouth about your dogs making other dogs "dead game" on your original post here at all.
You don't mind putting up your backyard, 3x winning dogs on this database. You don't mind talking about how your dogs "have it all."
You don't mind CLAIMING this, and CLAIMING that, but when asked to produce the actual dog names of MULTI-winning Grand Champions, you go to himmin-and-hawwin and make up a bunch of excuses. Go back to page 1 and there you are bragging about killing and deadgame.

But when somebody asks you about 5x, 6x, 7x-winning dogs from you, you start stuttering.
And when somebody cracks their knuckles, and starts pulling away the curtains to see what you got, you start running for cover like a cockroach, hissing, and getting upset that THERE ARE NO dogs of your preferred bloodline that are "up there" with the absolute baddest, winningest dogs of all time.

There was no reason to start insulting.
This was either your opportunity to back up your big claims, or to sit down and realize that it's a great big world out there.
To admit and realize there are OTHER GREAT COMBINATIONS of dogs that have actually DONE BETTER than the RBJ combination. And that is a FACT.

Again, that doesn't mean RBJ dogs aren't good, with some truly great. I never said or implied this.

But what I did want to do is stick a pin in your little "hot air balloon," and I am sorry if this (literally) burst your bubble.

You might not want to make completely false claims next time to your "green audience" ... because there are people here who know better

Jack

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but to classify them together with all carved dogs is like saying the penicillin you buy at the feed store is the same as vancomycin. It's not.

Well, we're classifying all the RBJ dogs into one hat too, are we not?

And, no matter how you slice them, or mix them, the RBJ combination, by iteself, is NOT winning as many contests as ANY of the Eli/Carver combinations ... unless THEY TOO have Eli/Carver in them ... which combo already wins at that level WITHOUT RBJ

So, which combo truly is "the winningest" then?

I can even be more specific, and say IRONHEAD/BLACK WIDOW dogs ... and the record of these dogs STILL trumps every single pure RBJ combination that every existed

Yeah.. you can bring Eli carved for mouth, ,but unless it's got any tombstone Bolio or redboy jocko, they seldom make 45 minutes if they run into one that can give it as good as they can.

That is flat out untrue. Again, the greatest, winningest dogs EVER are not RBJ. Only Barracuda is up there, and he is not pure.

I agree that Bolio dogs are among, if not THE greatest Carver dogs ever ... but there are PLENTY of Boomer/Satch/ButcherBoy/Honeybunch (and a host of other) Carver dogs that have gone the route and achieved the highest accolades in APBT history. Almost all of them are Ironhead/BlackWidow-type dogs.

Mouth does give a lot of dogs a free food pass. And you may see an 8xw, 7xw with all that good ole Eli blood,but what you don't talk about is the 8 siblings that quit.

I agree with you that pure Eli dogs are nowhere near as consistently game as some of the other lines ... but ELI/CARVER dogs are a whole different deal, and THESE are what have REPEATEDLY AND CONSISTENTLY produced THE BEST dogs in the world, more than any other combination, ever.

And I don't run that line either, I am not promoting "myself," so I have no dog in this fight.
I am just trying to be ACCURATE in what I say based on THE HISTORICAL FACTS that are easily searched and proven here.

That does not mean that my line, or your line, or even Sonny's line haven't produced great dogs. THEY HAVE.

It just means that THE multi-winningest cross isn't RBJ, it's Eli/Carver.

Jack

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Well, we're classifying all the RBJ dogs into one hat too, are we not?

And, no matter how you slice them, or mix them, the RBJ combination, by iteself, is NOT winning as many contests as ANY of the Eli/Carver combinations ... unless THEY TOO have Eli/Carver in them ... which combo already wins at that level WITHOUT RBJ

So, which combo truly is "the winningest" then?

I can even be more specific, and say IRONHEAD/BLACK WIDOW dogs ... and the record of these dogs STILL trumps every single pure RBJ combination that every existed






That is flat out untrue. Again, the greatest, winningest dogs EVER are not RBJ. Only Barracuda is up there, and he is not pure.

I agree that Bolio dogs are among, if not THE greatest Carver dogs ever ... but there are PLENTY of Boomer/Satch/ButcherBoy/Honeybunch (and a host of other) Carver dogs that have gone the route and achieved the highest accolades in APBT history. Almost all of them are Ironhead/BlackWidow-type dogs.





I agree with you that pure Eli dogs are nowhere near as consistently game as some of the other lines ... but ELI/CARVER dogs are a whole different deal, and THESE are what have REPEATEDLY AND CONSISTENTLY produced THE BEST dogs in the world, more than any other combination, ever.

And I don't run that line either, I am not promoting "myself," so I have no dog in this fight. I am just trying to be ACCURATE in what I say based on THE HISTORICAL FACTS that are easily searched and proven here.

That does not mean that my line, or your line, or even Sonny's line haven't produced great dogs. THEY HAVE.

It just means that THE multi-winningest cross isn't RBJ, it's Eli/Carver.

Jack

We can whole heartedly abiut the ironhead black widow cross. I myself like the boomerang and snooty dogs, that's obvious from the dogs that I own. I don't agree with Sonny, but I do like the redboy jocko line, agree about Baracuda, and point out that Hollingsworth himself bred to Yellow. Most winningest dogs.... That's a hard conversation, even with facts. Different eras of dogmen have different opinions. Colby? Lightner, Tudor? Heinzel?It's a great topic . What role did the E.Crenshaw really play in the cold Ironhead dogs? Only Maurice knows.

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Try me !you never know he might be right or he might be wrong ,but he can sure ask a few about Cody

Well jack if all these facts show the facts on all your wins !and tell us how you got poncho and those other 2 pitbulls to ride in the front seat of your truck together ,you know like when you came by the house .i truly was impressed by. That .

so what? that shows pack mentality and intelligence I love a smart dog, gr ch virgil would run around with other dogs.. not even dogs he knew.. some dogs are smart enough to know when there is no threat. wac I must say I have seen a lot of dogs down from your stock and I was impressed with the mouth and drive similar to dogs from tants yard but they were not game as far as I am concerned big ruff fight crazy dogs do not sell me.. thats for the average joe. I think the bolio stuff jack has will add that Intelligence in there so they are not so fight crazy cause that means nothing where it really counts. but I would breed to big john in a heart back today if I could.. but it would be to a bolio mayday bitch..

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so what? that shows pack mentality and intelligence I love a smart dog, gr ch virgil would run around with other dogs.. not even dogs he knew.. some dogs are smart enough to know when there is no threat. wac I must say I have seen a lot of dogs down from your stock and I was impressed with the mouth and drive similar to dogs from tants yard but they were not game as far as I am concerned big ruff fight crazy dogs do not sell me.. thats for the average joe. I think the bolio stuff jack has will add that Intelligence in there so they are not so fight crazy cause that means nothing where it really counts. but I would breed to big john in a heart back today if I could.. but it would be to a bolio mayday bitch..

Wacc won't be responding, that's another of the many jackass banned for no reason. Sucks too because I liked his posts.

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Wacc won't be responding, that's another of the many jackass banned for no reason. Sucks too because I liked his posts.

he's not banned and welcomed to come back anytime