A little more history ...

As for the claim of Jocko "adding mouth" ... here are some more facts:
Jocko's sister Ch Apples was bit down by the Eli/Loposay-bred Gr Ch Molly Bee ... while their brother Ch Argo was whipped by the Eli/Carver/Clouse-bred Ch Bumper.

So, hey, hats off to Ch Jocko and his littermates.
Three Champions in one litter is something we should all take our hats off to.

But, when push comes to shove, and when Champions-meet-Champions, they ALL got/get knocked off by the wayside by Eli and Eli/Carver dogs. Same with Nico, same with Zinc, etc.

The title of "Baddest" and "Best" is elusive ... and there is no shame in winning 1, 2, and 3 good solid shows.
That's all that can be asked of most dogs, and doing this is a fine accomplishment. Even losing game is an accomplishment.

Still, historically-speaking, and as a matter of ongoing strategy, the great thing about a resource like this, the input of old-timers, and the ability to crunch numbers and quantify statistics ... is we can start to see patterns forming folks ... and, as the elevation gets higher, we need to re-think some of the claims (as well as our own beliefs) as to which way we want to go in our breeding programs, if we truly want "the baddest" and "the best."

Wish I had this resource available 20 years ago

Jack