Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

[FrostyPaws]

I can't say I've ever heard anyone say they need Jocko for mouth personally. I've heard a ton of people say they need Redboy for gameness, but the dogs they breed to aren't noted for anything except seeing about 20 minutes and being Redboy bred. They've not been anywhere near Gameness Avenue. Whatever kind of gameness Redboy dogs were noted for originally has steadfastly declined due to the popularity of the line and indiscriminate breeding, but I've said that already.

I've seen pockets of game Eli dogs. It's like anything else. You can't simply breed to Redboy dogs and get game dogs anymore than you can breed to Bolio dogs and get world class athletes. If it were that easy, someone would breed Bolio/Redboy dogs and take over the world!

[Officially Retired]

I've seen pockets of game Eli dogs. It's like anything else. You can't simply breed to Redboy dogs and get game dogs anymore than you can breed to Bolio dogs and get world class athletes. If it were that easy, someone would breed Bolio/Redboy dogs and take over the world!

That's true.

I think most Bolio dogs are curs nowadays, that have lost the original talent the line was known for also.

I don't think Patrick had any "standards" for the last 25+ years, as dogs directly from Pat's yard into mine are 0-5 against Poncho dogs, with only 1 Patrick-type Bolio individual showing game.

That lone individual that showed game still couldn't make it to the hour mark with Tulipa even though she was bigger.

I think THE RIGHT Bolio dogs are simply the best dogs in the world pound-for-pound ... but not too many people know what that means.

Jack

[swampdawg]

Frosty trust me when I say redboyjocko blood is still alive.You dont know the right people that still run the blood.They can compete at any level but most have gone underground because of the times we live in today.

[FrostyPaws]

Frosty trust me when I say redboyjocko blood is still alive.You dont know the right people that still run the blood.They can compete at any level but most have gone underground because of the times we live in today.

Swamp, I've been around RBJ dogs since '92. When it comes to those dogs, I've never seen any that I would feed over the Voyles' Little John dogs from then OR now. Those dogs are still competing at any level. I'm well aware of what QUALITY RBJ dogs can do as I'm well aware what QUALITY (insert line here) can do. If you've followed this thread through it's entirety, you would see what I've said at least once that I was a fan of RBJ dogs, but the original statement is silly. I still have dogs with RBJ blood coursing through their veins, and you certainly don't me well enough to know who I know or don't know when it comes to those dogs.

A top quality dog from any line can compete at any level.

[waccamaw]

Swamp, I've been around RBJ dogs since '92. When it comes to those dogs, I've never seen any that I would feed over the Voyles' Little John dogs from then OR now. Those dogs are still competing at any level. I'm well aware of what QUALITY RBJ dogs can do as I'm well aware what QUALITY (insert line here) can do. If you've followed this thread through it's entirety, you would see what I've said at least once that I was a fan of RBJ dogs, but the original statement is silly. I still have dogs with RBJ blood coursing through their veins, and you certainly don't me well enough to know who I know or don't know when it comes to those dogs.

A top quality dog from any line can compete at any level.

As you said voles got his dogs straight from fletcher Chavis ,so did we and only lived 2 hrs from him .and about what jack said out west dogs ,ever think where most of those dogs come from ,sc ,nc ,ga .now let's see what are from this area ,mt.man,mr burns ,Crenshaw,tant,FB,tom garner,Cham,untouchables,gaston,Hargrove ,fletcher Chavis ,pit bull Rick,Texas Ron ,Vernon Jackson before he left ,perry ,Powell,BM of hardcore,,Barney,Larry combs ,willy Nelson ,gainey.and a lot I will leave out .i don't know but I think a lot of those out west dogs came from some of these guys from the east .

[loot]

Frosty trust me when I say redboyjocko blood is still alive.You dont know the right people that still run the blood.They can compete at any level but most have gone underground because of the times we live in today.

I agree with that statement.

[Officially Retired]

Frosty trust me when I say redboyjocko blood is still alive.You dont know the right people that still run the blood.They can compete at any level but most have gone underground because of the times we live in today.

You have a comprehension disorder.

Frosty never said that RBJ isn't "still alive" ... he said the idea that these "pure Redboy dogs are all game" is a fallacy.
Same as he said thinking all Bolio dogs are "world class athletes" is a fallacy. And it is.

Frosty has been in the game longer than most on this thread and can probably make whatever "contacts" he needs to.

If you would learn to read better, Swamp, you wouldn't go off on tangents like this.

Waccamaw made the statement that people, "need some redboy for heart (gameness ) and jocko for the mouth."

Frosty said no one he has ever heard of goes to "Jocko for mouth" ... and he said most pure Redboy dogs aren't game anymore.
He believes that whatever gameness they used to be known for has been bred out of most individuals.

He never said anything about RBJ dogs being gone ... he picked apart that above statement Wac made.

Most people I know DON'T go to Redboy dogs for gameness ... only a select few in the south might ... but most people I know go for some kind of Carver/Bolio or Clouse-bred dog for gameness.
And most people I know go to some kind of Eli-bred dog for mouth.

And a lot of people (who actually live somewhere besides the Carolinas) do too.

Jack