Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

[Officially Retired]

Agree with this. I think the dogs change when different people breed them. Same family, but it only takes one, maybe two breedings and the resulting dogs con be completely different. Any number of things can be factored in or left out to start the change. A guy could pass up the best performer and producer if the dog gets to 50lbs and he only likes smaller dogs. Silly. But that is all it takes to make changes. EWO

Yes and no.

Yes, things absolutely change when a new owner starts selecting for his own individual preferences (competent or incompetent) within a line ...

But no, if they still go back to RBJ (or Jeep, or whatever), they're still RBJ (Jeep, etc.) dogs.

Jack

PS: That is also the SIGN of competence is when a breeder is focusing on NEW DOGS within the line. For example, if I still am trying to sell my dogs as "Bolio dogs" then I am an imbecile who apparently hasn't been able to breed MY OWN good dogs within the strain ... I am still looking back over my shoulder 40 years ago for a dead dog in order to have something good to say about what I have now. By contrast, even if my dogs have Bolio "in them" ... I should be able to point to dogs NOW, on my yard TODAY, that are defining themselves and worth talking about (e.g., Silverback dogs or some live, or only recently-dead, dog that I am focusing on NOW). So to me, when someone can only say my dogs are "Jeep dog" (rather than, say, SlimShady dogs--dogs that are good now), I automatically know that I am looking at a guy who's not feeding/breeding anything worth talking about on his own yard.

[swampdawg]

Jack I have to disagree with u about rbj dogs being the same because they go back to the same dogs.Some r bred for show some are not.If there all the same then I can use the same remark that All bulldogs are the same because they all share the same ancestors from the first dogs brought to America.

[EWO]

Agree with it going back to the actual blood upon the sale/changing of hands. But there are changes there as well, and although it is still Jeep or Red Boy or Poncho, the original breeder/creator/perpetrator of the line is not making the calls. Back to this topic, I doubt all the RBJ dogs made the most dead game dogs (although it is a way cool statement, would have been a great advertising line in the journal way back when....) but a certain group/strand made their share. When that certain group/strand/strain were sold they were still RBJ dogs just not the same RBJ dogs.

Just the other day there was a kid on here that was beaten up and had his lunch money taken because he posted a photograph of a dog that did not look the way that the creator/perpetrator/breeder intended. That dogs blood line did not change because she was fat. Still the same pedigree/same family/same strain. The only difference is two entirely different ideas of what a brood dog should look like. Lets say we were not breeding this particular dog and the new owner and previous owner had differing ideas on calling weights or means of conditioning that same dog is the same dog but not the same dog....if that makes sense.

Great series of posts. I did not have a proverbial 'dog in the fight' but it has been a good read. EWO

Yes and no.

Yes, things absolutely change when a new owner starts selecting for his own individual preferences (competent or incompetent) within a line ...

But no, if they still go back to RBJ (or Jeep, or whatever), they're still RBJ (Jeep, etc.) dogs.

Jack

PS: That is also the SIGN of competence is when a breeder is focusing on NEW DOGS within the line. For example, if I still am trying to sell my dogs as "Bolio dogs" then I am an imbecile who apparently hasn't been able to breed MY OWN good dogs within the strain ... I am still looking back over my shoulder 40 years ago for a dead dog in order to have something good to say about what I have now. By contrast, even if my dogs have Bolio "in them" ... I should be able to point to dogs NOW, on my yard TODAY, that are defining themselves and worth talking about (e.g., Silverback dogs or some live, or only recently-dead, dog that I am focusing on NOW). So to me, when someone can only say my dogs are "Jeep dog" (rather than, say, SlimShady dogs--dogs that are good now), I automatically know that I am looking at a guy who's not feeding/breeding anything worth talking about on his own yard.