Quote Originally Posted by Nextlevel View Post
I guess Ch Sassy POR, CH Leonardo, CH Toro POR, CH TAG, Gr Ch lukane ROM, Bobby Lou POR, CH STP holly is not major success. My definition of major is having CHAMPIONS or GRCH ROM dogs if you have a different definition, then everyone on this site should be carrying your stock with me first in line..!!!!

But I will give you Bellon club..... But they still used it....you said none, nada, zilch, zero....
You forgot the most important RBJ dog STP used ... Gr Ch John Boy, lol

You got Frosty on STP, but yet he is RIGHT that STP concentrated on Buck and Boyles dogs in his breedings, which is where most of his produced wins come from. Also, his BEST male dog was Gr Ch Buck, a Bolio dog, and his BADDEST female was Ch Bad Rosemary, a Bolio/Eli/Hank bitch, and granddaughter to Buck, (not Yellow's sister Ch Sassy).

Frosty also mentioned WCC and Bellon Club and I have to agree with him on that. You pointing out that the Bellon Club used "a" RBJ dog in their multi-decade career is a bit of a stretch on your part Let's just face the fact that the Bellon Club did NOT use these dogs much at all, except an isolated instance or two. Frosty also said WCC, a hugely-successful kennel, didn't use this blood at all. Hell, for that matter, I have used RBJ dogs a tiny bit ... but to say that "my success" came from these dogs ... or that my BEST dogs had this blood ... would be a bit of a stretch too (although there have been some great dogs of this cross as well). But it sure isn't the direction I chose to breed mine ... I went the opposite direction, quite frankly.

Again, let me repeat THE POINT here until it sinks in: 1) NO ONE HAS SAID these dogs haven't been SUCCESSFUL! So you pointing out that these dogs "have succeeded" or "have been used" is a meaningless effort on your part. WE KNOW THAT!!! What we are arguing is the idea these dogs have DOMINATED AN ERA ... that they have produced THE KILLINGEST dogs EVER ... and the idea that ALL THE GOOD ONES are RBJ.

These RIDICULOUS ASSERTIONS are what is being argued here ... because they're FLAT OUT UNTRUE.


Quote Originally Posted by Nextlevel View Post
It was nice debating this topic gave a lot of members some down time by reading this subject... We all have our different flavor of hounds, picking one for the whole fraternity would be disrespectful and degrading.... Regardless of it's Bloodline of origin. Thank you Jack and Frosty Paws.... Wacc see you soon Big Unk....I'm not kennel blind I also run Toby, Booger dogs....
Right, exactly, and Waccamaw is the one who basically said everything "not RBJ" isn't good, and that RBJ dogs are the only dogs that are good, which is WHY this REALITY CHECK was necessary.

There are PLENTY of other lines that have snuffed RBJ dogs, that have produced as many OR MORE Champions, Grand Champions, ROMS, etc. as the RBJ line has. And there are PLENTY of HUGELY-SUCCESSFUL kennels who don't run the blood at all. Maybe not in SC where Wac is, but there are MANY kennels in Texas, the west coast, and basically everywhere but SC that have never fed A SINGLE RBJ dog ... and who have multiple winners, Champions, etc. to their credit.

That is the center of this debate ... NOT that RBJ dogs "aren't successful" ... because we all know that they ARE.

It's the idea that they're "the center of the universe" that is ridiculous. Because they get their asses handed to them too ... they get snuffed like anything else also ... they quit and jump as well ... and they are NO WHERE TO BE SEEN on any roster of "the winningest dogs of all time"

It IS an all-time great bloodline though, competitive with anything out there.

Jack