Everyone has there preferences. I have no problem with what another wishes to own. None at all. I simply offered my opinion on the pedigree you posted. I personally like the bottom half better than the top. No offense taken.

I believe the Splash bitch has three other winning littermates as well. I will have to double check but I believe it is the bitch I am thinking of. Around here there is Mims Ch. Charlie 4XW (Spiffy/Lucky), Ch. Bo (Punch/Rainbow), Ch. Skull 4XW (Spiffy/Lucky/Lucious), Dolly 2XW (Spiffy/Lucky), and numerous dogs with wins that the base is a Mims dog with a little out. Just too many to list them all. A lot like the Haymaker dog.

Did Haymaker make ROM by being bred to other Holland hounds, or the out crosses? I believe the latter is the answer. I believe the mixes have out performed the 'family' over time.

And I most certainly agree your last paragraph. The other strains of Red Boy dogs I have experienced. personally experienced, did not do the things I liked. The inbred Deacon dogs I had could bite shit in half but quit on top. The Holland dogs straight were either never looked at or did not do enough to compete and made their way to the brood pen. The best Holland dogs I have see were crossed with Bakari's Ch. Tyrone dog and with the Deloach bred dogs. Killers in that mix. When Ch. Charlie (Spiffy/Lucky) made Ch. it was on a Holland Red Boy/Buck bred dog. That dog was as game as anything I have ever seen but was just outclassed. I tried to buy him to save him. I thought that much of his performance.

Every body gets to feed what they want. As it should be. Everyone is entitle to their opinion. As it should be. I believe everyone should be entitled to offer their opinion. What I offered up was personal, hands on experience. I did not read it elsewhere and read it here. I did not read a match report and make comments. All based on what I have seen. Every one has their own preferences. EWO



And I most definitely agree with your last paragraph.