Quote Originally Posted by EWO View Post
I prefer the Mims versions myself, but going to get a bitch tomorrow that is out of a Holland bred dog, Fleetwood to Jabbar Box. Bred back to the Mims Redboy/Snooty. She is a game a talented 1XW winning bitch that just loves to bite....stuff she should, and stuff she shouldn't.

Nicely bred pups. Just form personal experiences I like the bottom half a little more than the top half. Good luck. EWO
We've had success with the bottom half and intend to keep working with it. The vision was to add an Eli outcross without losing too much of the Haymaker strain. Just so happens that Gottie 2xW fit the bill.

Now, with your preference for the Mims blood, that's where we will disagree. No disrespect to C. Mims and the foundation started by his dad and what he carried on.
The reason for my point of view is that I've seen a few from years ago. They were VERY talented like the female you mentioned, but they were not going the distance. I'm not asking you, I'm telling you!
So, as a competitor, those are not the type I want to put in a []. Many claim they know how to work with it/breed it and how great what they have has been to them, but again, I'm speaking as a person who is not just breeding for papers or to keep around the yard for bragging rights.

My friends kept a few of it around and continued to breed some and finally got this female.
Ch. Splash -

Besides the female above, the only other (HEAVY) Mims bred redboy dog, who made any noise lately is also a champion.
Ch. Onyx -

So amongst all the Mims bred redboy dogs that are still around and claim to be active, it's a long stretch to hear about a good one every 5 years or more.
Maybe the silent type will allege that they have the secret weapons or those we don't know about, but I know my people started a relationship with Mims from back in the 90's (20 years ago) and have not slept on the bloodline and those worthy of mentioning. So if they have nothing more to offer me as far as noteworthy progress that those dogs have made, I'm not inclined to add any to my program.

Not knocking what you have (EWO), I'm just stating why I am against it. That way, you don't have to ask and you should see that my opinion is not based on biases formed from old partners or a dog we lost to. Many speak from that aspect and that's not the way a dogman should offer a honest opinion.

I've owned C'ham dogs also and like those even more!