Pitbulls with outside trash blood in them.

[CYJ]

Ditto Foxman. That is a very interesting read. Why I always liked the Pete Spark's dog picture standard, that was shown on his magazines. Preferred the dogs with a more older standard Bull Terrier build with a rat tail that was swung down low. Not curled above the tail or flagged up when excited or in a prey drive mode. With a tight seal skin type hair.

Overtime I noticed as the dogs were being bred larger and seeing more catch weight dogs used. You did not see as many tight haired seal skinned bull terrier type looking pit dogs. The hair was courser and longer with some dogs showing solid blue black tongues. I do not wish to rain on any ones parade or demean dogs. I had my share of worthless curs like anyone else no matter how they looked or were bred.

Without a blood testing mentioned above by Mr. Fox, no one could say for sure one way or the other. Just my humble opinion of what I saw and R. Braddock brought to my attention one time at a dog show. We were watching one of Bramlett's Snake dog pulling events. I was studying this dog and when he got hot and his mouth came open, Braddock elbowed me and said look at that dog's mouth and tongue, that dog has some Chow or Chinese fighting dog in him. If I remember correctly the center fold picture of Bramlett's Snake. The dog stands just like a Tosa dog with his tail curled over his back with small button ears and the face mask markings like a Tosa.

Back in the early 70's. Mr. Pratt, Atlas Brewer/Rex Byrd knew about a yard of Chinese Fighting dogs that had been brought into this country. The dog man that had these dogs lived not to far from Atlas Brewer. He did try his dogs out on the pit bull dogs. Not to long after that a Chinese guy was on the (I've got a secret TV show) claiming he was the first dog breeder to bring this breed of dog into the USA. I was thinking that was a lot of Bull. Atlas took me, V.J., G. Cox to a dog yard that had about ten of those suckers running around on dog chain hook ups. This owner of the Chinese dogs had some pit bulls also. True or not was just a rumor that some experimental breeding was tried between the two breeds.

Another old time breeder that had some dogs that shows up in some bloodlines today. Had in his very last years some dogs I tried out. These dogs were devastating in a practice dog pulling exercise. Would tear a dog down and just up and walk away and no longer show any interest in the other dog. These dogs were not afraid or cur acting just seemed to become bored of the beaten dog. As I studied these dogs, noticed the hair was thicker and courser and the dogs had a thick otter type tail instead of a bull terrier type rat tail. Overtime As I spent time talking with this much older dog man. He made mention that there was a big male Chesapeake Bay Retriever that ran loose in his community and antagonized his dogs time to time. LOL

Why I was always more particle to the smaller dogs. But some of my last dogs were big dogs off the Carver Bullyson dogs. Sometimes the bigger they get the more mastiff or bull dogge looking they get. Two other dogs come to my mind that were weird looking. One was the picture of Ralph Greenwood's Granny bitch, the other was a picture of a brindle dog said to be a picture of Mayfield's Snake (R. Jackson's Ratter) that V.J. and self used in our blood lines. When I saw that picture, maybe just a bad shot or angle. I said to myself, damn if I had knew that was what Snake looked like. I would have passed up that breeding. The Mayfield's Snake dog was ugly as Greenwood's Granny bitch. LOL

With ADBA allowing these new fangled dogs called Bully dogs to be registered as a A.P.B.T. Our breed of dogs may be in even greater danger of losing it's truer bloodline ancestry. Which I might add I like the looks of those Bully dogs for a pet dog over a English or mixed English pit bull dog. LOL

P.S. the old timer I mentioned was just one certain breeding he had made. I tried these dogs along with R. Morris. None panned out and were put down. This older breeder bred many top notch dogs over the years that could get it on. One being the roughest, hardest biting bitch I ever saw. The honorable Edward's Molly Bee. Cheers