Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
So you're saying the gamest, most intelligent men in Alcatraz prison were the ones who "knew" they couldn't escape ... and sat around accepting their fate ... rather than the few who relentlessly tried and finally figured out how to do so?

I absolutely disagree.

I guess you think the gamest, smartest dog are also the ones who "know they can't win" ... and stop trying too? Again, I absolutely disagree.

The gamest, smartest ones are the ones who never stop trying and always figure some "way" to do what they want to do.
I was talking specifically about your example or analogy. The two men chained around the neck. I was commenting that the one that knows and understands he cannot break free of that situation with what is provided in your example, is the smarter or more intelligent human. Never suggested the "gamest, smartest dogs are also the ones who "know they can't win" so there's nothing for you to disagree with me there. You and I would have been on the same page on that one.

My old man teaches a cognitive intervention class in the state prison system here in Texas. The ones who KNOW and UNDERSTAND the situation and system they are in, are the ones who thrive and succeed. Those who buck that system are the ones, one way or another, are culled in some fashion or another. Either they end up with more time, less privileges, isolation, etc. I offer this b/c you used Alcatraz as an example. The only thing I would ask about the Alcatraz example is, did any of the escapees actually survive? If not, how smart where they? Does committing unintentional suicide equate to more intelligence than the men who never tried to escape? I'm not sure. I don't judge in this way b/c in this situation, I cannot say what I would do without BEING in that situation. Does it show more spirit? Maybe, maybe not. Who's gamer? The man who lives in Alcatraz the remainder of his life, or the guy who escapes and dies? Lots of things to consider and also why I don't think too many comparisons can be made b/t man and animal.

I guess to add to this thread or topic, I hate dogs that are a pain in the ass. Especially when I am feeding more than 10 dogs. I've fed enough good dogs and bad dogs to not have tolerance for them and to also know, I can feed, keep and have a good time with a quality dog that is not a problem. Had I never fed a "good" dog before and the only one I had was a dog that is always wrecking shit, I guess I would keep him. But not any more. If a dog is a barker, water bowl fighter, dog house fighter, extreme digger, etc., Then I will sure enough remove that dog one way or another.

The LG blood is a blood known for certain things. Like a lot of lines are, of course. LG was known for, or at least had/has a reputation for culling pretty hard. It shows in the females in his line. If a bitch did not do a good job of whelping and raising pups, she was a goner. Over the years, this has developed a line that throws extremely maternal females. Bitches that whelp and raise practically every pup thus making life easier on the owner. I'm sure there were some good dogs lost along the way, but I'm also sure there were good dogs passed on as well.

To each their own when it comes to property in the USA.....in my opinion.