Have seen a few Cardenas dogs down from his Eli x Booger stuff and it was good stuff. It all depends on what you want to buy, the dream or the dog. We often romanticize dogs that aren't readily available but remember this, folks always hear about the superb individuals who make reknown noise but don't hear how many it took going through to get that 1. So if having that 1 is more important then a group of above average go get the dream.. Take a visit over if you can and you will see that not every dog across the border shits Gold as we are led to believe, and could come home with something that fits your program it might be Cardenas or some other breeder. There are a few dogs down in the deep south that came from there...