Yeah that's why the young exposure to everything is important and its what ive always done, i was speaking to what ive seen. I have also had them dogs that were 6-12 months old that didnt even know how to walk straight on one. And i let mine pick through everything i have access to and find what they work the best, also seen quite a few dummies give away some real decent dogs because they wouldn't run the mill or the dude wasn't patient enough with the jenny work.