Seen good hounds....no doubt they paper hung though....a bunch of redboy in them....met an european guy about 10 years ago that had a male of cottinghams redman bred to a double daughter of frisco....plus the look of the dogs changed and performance levels from atleast 12 years ago....if you are breeding a family of dogs they dont change all of a sudden without something being added....jack is right about the stuff from ed...they had a violent mouth but if they couldnt get in done in 30-45 they ran for the hills....addind your blood probably made them stick it out