Quote Originally Posted by Black Hand View Post
There are no facts. just second hand stories and 50 year old recorded info that may or may not be accurate. For arguments sake, it is possible for birthdays to be recorded wrong, stories to be embellished or strong details left out/added over time. None of the information here is factual or should I say nothing here can be proven as factual. It's history aka his--story. it's whatever you'd like to make of it but unless you got a time machine or DNA samples... this is 16 pages of speculation. There is no proving who blind billy was off, nor Eli. Unless you know all parties involved and witnessed it or got conclusive stories from everyone, you will never know the truth. 3 sides to a story, your side his side and then the truth wich will remain untold.
Hi blackhand, i agree their is always the chance that every detsail of every pedigree and every story on every dog in every book and magazine could all be wrong and all the dates wrong , but on the facts or known history which has never been disputed and pedigrees filed with the various registries adba and ukc then adding the circumstantial evidence it certainly looks like someone was not being completly honest thats for sure, and my money using all of the evidence both factual and circumstantial would be to go with the the law of probable over the more improbable , which leads me to floyd having been a naughty boy .

Blackhand my question to you is this, if we for one minute agree for arguments sake that all the dobs and the dibo stroy is correct plus crybaby and using floyds own words and if you need to add in the circumstantial evidence (i dont think it matters much but it does add up if you take the other evidence as true ) and tell me what conclusion you would make
as to blind billy and subsequently ELI and his probable true pedigree .