I always wondered why nobody bred a pure Redboy-Jocko bitch to Andy Capp. I would go with a waccamaw bred cross. That's my two cents. As for what I am getting, A cauldron of people are breeding the Andy Capp-Luther stuff to my Machobuck dogs with good results. One went last night 2:02 off Mr. Machobuck and Smiley, but he lost. It was at 32 and other hog was 35, not to mention he was only 18 months old. Age aside, he probably would have still pulled it of, but 3 pounds in THAT weight category is just too much.