Quote Originally Posted by Gotta12v View Post
what are the adba dob for dibo and billy

also randy got me thinking when he mentioned how zebo and honey produce together. ive heard that honeybuch could have been out of ironhead and if that was true if could explain why he didn't produce with honey but did with clemmons pepper (eli boze) to produce niggertoby and lupe (eli boze carver) to produce huey who prodced t-bud

eli family breeders bred toby and t-bud dogs in there pure eli yards
Hi gotta 12 the dob for dibo is march 21 1951 , and floyd says blind billy was born in 1952 , and i think we know when earl got dibo in his yard so on those dobs alone without any of hte talk about black dogs and what a coincidence that two years later floyd shows up at putside with eli and ohter dogmen who ahd seen crybaby nursing pups which were supposed to have died , whcih is all circumstantial just as msot talk is, but the dobs are not they are as much of a fact as we have on any dsiputed breeding we could ever tallk about .

As for zebo it all very interesting , and i also heard that about ironhead , but i think with zebo and others its going ot be a case of how do we dsipute zebos known peidigree on a hunch that maybe when stolen eli was bred and produced zebo , it would be a push to make the leap , but of course it might be possoble, but im not sure that any info will ever surface as to that being true or not, but its intersting hearing the various views on zebo.

The ironhead one i heard was that with ironhead you could always be sure if he had sired a litter as his marking dominated the litter , and i think ed crenshaw believed that there were far less pups out of ironhead than there were suposed to be
becasue of that, and also as he was well bred carver would sell you a pedigree and that was also supposed to be true with bullyson when he was all the rage back then, but of course its all a case of what makes sense and looking at all the bits and maaking the best decsion we can about these thingsa.