what are the adba dob for dibo and billy
also randy got me thinking when he mentioned how zebo and honey produce together. ive heard that honeybuch could have been out of ironhead and if that was true if could explain why he didn't produce with honey but did with clemmons pepper (eli boze) to produce niggertoby and lupe (eli boze carver) to produce huey who prodced t-bud
eli family breeders bred toby and t-bud dogs in there pure eli yards
Hi gotta 12 the dob for dibo is march 21 1951 , and floyd says blind billy was born in 1952 , and i think we know when earl got dibo in his yard so on those dobs alone without any of hte talk about black dogs and what a coincidence that two years later floyd shows up at putside with eli and ohter dogmen who ahd seen crybaby nursing pups which were supposed to have died , whcih is all circumstantial just as msot talk is, but the dobs are not they are as much of a fact as we have on any dsiputed breeding we could ever tallk about .Originally Posted by Gotta12v
As for zebo it all very interesting , and i also heard that about ironhead , but i think with zebo and others its going ot be a case of how do we dsipute zebos known peidigree on a hunch that maybe when stolen eli was bred and produced zebo , it would be a push to make the leap , but of course it might be possoble, but im not sure that any info will ever surface as to that being true or not, but its intersting hearing the various views on zebo.
The ironhead one i heard was that with ironhead you could always be sure if he had sired a litter as his marking dominated the litter , and i think ed crenshaw believed that there were far less pups out of ironhead than there were suposed to be
becasue of that, and also as he was well bred carver would sell you a pedigree and that was also supposed to be true with bullyson when he was all the rage back then, but of course its all a case of what makes sense and looking at all the bits and maaking the best decsion we can about these thingsa.
Gotta12V I heard that story about HoneyBunch being out of Ironhead to. I blew it off because I heard it after Bullyson quit. So I figured they switched fathers to help sell pups or keep the fame. Yet there were several IronHead-Eli crosses here in Oklahoma that were good dogs. Not sure they were papered that way but the guys that owned them said they were bred that way. This all puts me in mind of Maurice saying I'll sell you the soup but not the recipe. There is projectX another one to solve. There were lots of false stuff that went on. I'm aware of that but it isn't my place to correct it when it is impossible to know the truth except through DNA. The subjects you might choose to DNA for proof. They just have to have one lie on their pedigree to mess up test answer. So it is impossible to know or fix. That is why I played around with ProjectX. It is a very impossible task to get a correct answer. There are some things Mayfield said I didn't like. One thing I did not like is that when I ask him if it bothered him if one of his dogs he fought got hurt bad. He said no as long as they live to fight him another day. That is quiet a bit more heartless than me. I tried to shut out close feelings but it was impossible for me. Earl Tudor was soft hearted about losing a dog. I've been by his place when one died. He'd tell me about it and have tears in his eyes. Anyway I truly believe all this about who was bred this way or that way is a waste of time and impossible to solve. Yet it does let lots of people entertain themselves with their writing and rambling and the talk about their theories with their impossible solutions. I have a life with my family and that is more important and interesting to me. I keep my records straight on my pups and they are kept correct here and that is all I can say for sure. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I lied about any breeding. My wife wouldn't ever talk to me again either. I hope everyone has a job that needs it and had a good Christmas. At least you all know who you are talking to and bad mouthing. When it is me your bad mouthing. That is more than I can say about lots of hidden identies on here. I have no secrets to hide. Randy Fox
I dont think she was off Ironhead, I think it's very possible she was off Bullyson x Amber. I personally believe her to be off Ch Cracker who is Amber's sire. In fact many of the Jeep dogs I've owned and came across resemble Cracker more than anything. The buckskin with the black ticked in is something that holds true even today in heavy bred Jeep/Honeybunch dogs. I truly believe if Honey isn't off Bully x Amber then she is directly off Cracker possible inbred Cracker back to his daughter Amber.
This is what I believe also ...
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