Quote Originally Posted by ragedog10 View Post
What does it matter now? Blind Billy/ Eli family have stood the test of time,as for Mayfield not breeding to Tombstone well if you ask me and look at Tombstone production Mayfield made the wrong choice. I just think this whole thing is childish now ,what do you expect to come from it by arguing on Jacks board? The ADBA is nt going to change records after all this time. Floyds line has stood the test of time just like the Tombstone line has and the Mayfield line has faded to the yards of collectors and history buffs ,just like most of the Colby blood today. In the end it does nt matter and history has been written. If there was a issue it should have been taken care of years ago when the dogs and players were still all around. Yis Ole Man
Ragedog i agree it wont change our dogs today , and yes tombstone did go on and make a great record as a producer.
but mayfield wouldnt breed to him not being able to be 100% sure that baby and not gina was his dam, but he did keep
breeding rights to the dog in case he ever did find out for sure how he was bred .

I also agree that the blind billy eli line has stood the test of time, but the point is exactly that ragedog, is it the blind billy eli line or infact as i believe and as i believe the evidence proves it to be the cry babyx cotton eli line .That is something that we can at least amongst ourselves try to make right, why if the evidence is there should we not do it, it isnt
right and mayfield at least deserves credit as the breeder of the eli litter , as anyone who can look at the evidence provided on blind billy would be hard pressed to say he was sired by dibo ,in whch case eli cant be out of billy billy
but is out of ,as most suspected at the time crybaby x cotton, and to me when i hear anyone else say (well lets just leave it like it is and say nothing, ) is like saying well lets leave that man in prison who is innocent of murder and
leave the guilty man free , and that ragedog is not the way i look at it , so why is everyone so damn happy to keep up the pretence that nothings wrong with that.

Actually the adba can has has rectified pedigrees of dogs with far less evidence than there is on blind billy , so that would also be the correct thing to do , as i dont see why floyd whos line as you rightly say has stood the test of time, should not at least acknowledge the very big part that eli played in him being able to make floyd and his line famous and as such also acknowledge the true breeder of that litter , without which that may never have happened to floyd, because if floyd felt the need to use another mans work to start his line and pass it off as his , what does it tell you about the mans own line at that time that he felt he needed to do that to mayfield , so lets not forget that shall we.

Your last point about floyds line and tombstones line still being relavant comapred to mayfield lines , well that depends on what you know and who you talk to, not everything is on peds online ,and i think theres so much more to be told about the many dogs mayfield put into tha hands of other dogmen jsut like he had been given by tudor before him ,that did very well with them , and if we talk about floyds line or even the tombstone line, well both lines were if we belive baby to be the true dam of tombstone , of pure family breeding , and mayfield at that time when eli was born was beginging breeding his family and would later go on to breed that same tudor family more or less exclusivly and as i said floyd went on and bred the eli line but
had mayfield not been screwed over by floyd and taken his pups home with him ,then rather than try to take away from mayfield any rightfull credit for that litter that he bred , which is what has been done upto now, we would talking about mayfields eli and what he did with them, and that chance was taken away from him , just like when pit general was stolen and taken away from any history he might have gone on to have as a producer with mayfield , so if anyone thinks thats fine and dandy to just let that slide then your wrong and if it happend to you you would think so to .