Quote Originally Posted by CrazyRed View Post
I can't wait until you are up to talking about that, but I think it has long been credited to those whether in secret or in mind that Mayfield was correct about Eli being off Cry Baby. Yes I agree had Don took the pups then all of the following probably wouldn't have happened and with that said Eli wouldn't even be famous so what credit what don be looking to take?

Remember he had Tombstone as well, Snake as well and Hank. Does he deserve the credit for those dogs that became famous? If he want's that credit he has to take the credit for the folks who constantly screamed and yelled at him for spending tens of thousands with him and got curs down from his line as well. That's the big difference, and I've had dogs from Floyd that weren't worth a cats piss. Yet still you don't hear people bashing him for the curs they got you hear people praising for the great one that they got from him. Most folks that bash Floyd for the curs don't even own Eli dogs or never got a dog from Floyd. Same as with Jack and most other good breeders. Folks that bash typically never owned dogs from that man but talk about the curs. A good friend of mines spent over 7k on dogs from Mayfield and his protege at the time Kershner and not one of those dogs made the grade. So you got to remember the bad comes along with the good my friend.

I think Mayfield needed to reconsider his approach when it came to getting credit, you got to remember you catch more flies with honey then you do with salt.

I think he didn't feel as appreciated in his time but the generation after him and still to this day hold his name with high regard. Look at his peers and most of them had their moment with fame, Floyd took off with his Eli fame, Bobby with Bullyson fame, PP with Tombstone x Bolio fame, Crenshaw with Honeybunch, Baker Davis with Boomerang, Maloney with Toot, VJ with Hank, Wood's, Hyde etc and Maurice as in conversation as Greatest Breeder ever, he feels a little slighted. All these men had their own dogs and folks won with their dogs and they took turns as being the top breeder here or there where Mayfield didn't take off here, overseas he did but not in his own backyard and I think that got to him a little bit.
Hi crazyred , i will get onto the maverick story later , but im not saying mayfield wanted any credit , i am saying that its
right that now we know about blind billy and ELI, that mayfield should be given some credit for that breeding and for haivng been correct all along ,instead of being called crazy and jealous, by people either directly involved with the dogs he talked
of as being bred incorrectly or their followers .

As for you saying that had don taken them pups home that ELI probably wouldnt have been famous seems way off base, lets not forget don made the breeding he knew how the dogs were bred and his intention was raise school and match
them had they shown good, and then of course breed them , and as don was at least the dogman that floyd ever was and
probably even better , then i dont think ELI's fame or his offsprings would have gone unnoticed in dons hands ,and at least
the peds would have been correct so that anyone getting those dogs could breed them with a full knowledge of their true
heritage ,whcih of course floyd never allowed to happen .

I dont think i am asking that we give mayfiled credit for tombstone , i have only said that mayfield was sure that tombstone
was not out of the gina bitch, but out of tudors baby, and gave his reasons for that ,but mayfield never tried to take credit
for him and im not suggesting that either, all mayfield was saying was that the pedigree in his opinion wasnt correct .The snake dog and hank i havent mentioned but mayfield bred the dog with kennedy and was his dog and he was bred and produced some exceptional dogs so yes now that you bring it up i dont see why mayfield shouldnt get credit for a dog he bred and owned or at least had a big hand in his existence , im sure CYJ can tell about snake also as he was bred to his tina bitch and produced very well.Hank again as you mentioned it was bred by mayfield and was made famous by v jackson and
i wouldnt agrue that v jackson made hank famous but the source should never be overlooked or underestimated , and i can tell you this, that don would always give earl credit for being instrumental in his breeding program , which produced many good dogs like hank and snake and all of his mayfield family of dogs , but he never put himself above earl, he always gave earl the credit for being able to breed them , which i think shows how different don was to so many who the day the get a dog
from a breeder like earl for example , and think that the next litter is all about them ,and forget the years of work put in
for them from the man before them.

As for your friend who spent a lot of money with mayfield dogs , well you mentioned kershner , so i will assume this wasnt from dons yard when don was still breeding himself but form kershner in illinois. Although kershner had dogs from mayfields breeding , depending on when your friend got them would make a big difference in the animals. Kershner at the beginging
did have a decent pool of mayfield genes, in other words a mix of the genes from mayfields family, but he never really had the older stuff that don still had before the mid 80s, and to my mind dons best blood on kershners yard came down from
dons old dibo dog , which kershner never had much of on his yard and never bred enough of those dogs with dibo blood
so his mayfield family was not as strong as it could have been , had he been able to get more of the older blood or bred up
more of the dogs that had dons dibo dogs indside then yes, but kershners best dogs came when he crossed the aligator blood into
his mayfield dogs , that was to my mind better , but it would be interesting to see how your friends dogs were bred , i think i can guess , but would be nice to see .

I totaly agree with you that mayfield didnt feel appreciated , but he took that as normal, he would say that when you are at the top of the mountian, the others will always try to push from it, and its very hard to get the respect you deserve while your still at the top.The funny thing is that earl tudor felt the same way , in one audio i have , earl tells mayfield that
(THEY NEVER DID GIVE ME NO RESPECT DON) , and he even went on to talk about a man who put out a book back in earls time when earl was the n01 dogman around , and earl says (,DON YOU KNOW HE NEVER EVEN MENTIONED MY NAME ONCE CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT DON), so things never change i suppose , anyway take care crazyred and you and everyone else on here have a happy christmas ok.