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You guys sure tell and assume lots of stuff. Tombstone was bred like Maloney said. He wasn't always honest but in this case he was. I was there and saw Toot in the pen with Gina hungup and lots of those dogs have her body shape. If I remember correctly Gina was a red brindle dog but it has been years so I could be wrong. That man that had Gina I think she won two fights and that man had lots of winners and his dogs were tested hard. Davis is a dog in question. Yet he could be out of Toot. Who knows on that one. His dam was in the pen with two different males being bred. Charley Adkisson and I went out there one monday she was in with toot. When we went out there on thursday the dam was in with a De cordova dog called Rusty. When Maloney had Toot and Genia. There were no pure Tudor females at that time at his home. I know I was there. Gina was a two time winner. Don Maloney had a friend that he was real close with. I saw him several times at Maloney's home. He wasn't a bulldog man. He told me that him and Maloney went to Diffenbach's home to buy a pup. Diffenbach was gone so he ask Don which one he like and he pointed a Toot. So I grabbed it up and carried it to the truck. He said that is the truth about Toot. Maloney told him you need to keep your mouth shut.The first six years Toot was registered out of Jeff and then later on he was registered out of Spike. I think it was because Diffenbach had died but I'm not sure the true reason. That litter was supposedly off Spike. I got one thng to say to you guys. If you were not there and if you didn't see the breeding you can't say the pedigree is wrong.. No matter what anyone tells you. Don't go around swearing you know because you don't. Mayfield was a nice fellow. He hid lots of happenings and twisted the truth to make his yard look better. I had several of those dog right off Nigger and top bred female all but one quit. Maloney and Tommy Sherwood fought two dog for over two hours. Earl liked Sherwood's dog. Maloney told several people that Nigger was off that dog of Sherwoods. He said Earl brought Nigger's Dam over and bred to that Brindle dog of Sherwoods. Nigger threw lots of Brindle dogs. So it might be true or it might not. I didn't see the4 breeding so who knows if it true or not. What a bunch of silly assumptions you guys swear to. I'm done
Randy your a right in that we should never say that something is for sure, but neither should anyone, tombstone may be out of gina, but maloney had baby on his yard , and i think you know the deal he had with earl about anything form his pure females, and maloney was known as a slippery one , so who knows, but then we have an audio tape which i have heard
with mayfield and maloney just after mayfield got tombstone from ron , and on that audio tape maloney tells mayfield, (well hes mommas the same as the old nigger dog you got don, then some few minutes later he must realsie and changes it to the gina bitch .
Now im not going to say your msitaken randy cos i wasnt there when maloney bred toot to whatever female, and he may as you said have had gina on his yard at the time , but that dont prove he bred to her , infact like most folks who understand breeding as i know you do , and jack does and mayfield did, the breeding to gina didnt make sense, but the toot baby one did, it was the right way to breed them dogs and the sensible way, but maybe he did breed to gina if she was on his yard.

Now on another tape from a call mayfield had from a dogman in arkansas i think , who don didnt know personally and who had called him up to talk about the dogs, this man talked about how when gina was supposed to whelping tombstone on maloneys yard she was on another mans yard in another state, which of course was to late for mayfield as tombstone was dead and could not breed to him anymore.SO its all about what makes sense and circimstanstial evidence , but i tend to favour baby as the dam. but as you say anythings possible.

Randy im sure you read most if not all of the posts on this thread ,so i will assume you read mine about how i belive that floyd
lied about blind billy , and as such would mean that elis pedigree is also fake, and that mayfield is more than likely correct about both of those dogs, unknown and true heritage.
Floyds own words and timeline of dobs for both billy and his sire dibo along with the facts we know about when tudor got dibo would make it immposible for dibo to have been the sire of blind billy , and i know it hurts many dogmen who have had
a run in with mayfield in the past to say yes he was correct on something ,but i think that with the blind billy /eli story ,no one needs to be a freind or enemy of either man to see which one is lying or incorrect , floyd does that to himself and i would hope randy that you are able to agree with that even if it hurts to say so.

As for you saying that mayfield hid lots of happenings and twisted the truth to make his yard look better , well why dont you explain what you mean, im sure don was no angel, but i dont think he needed to lie about his yard or how his nigger dogs were bred , and we heard how maloney was a jealous man and started lots of strories about nigger , and we can be far more sure of how nigger is bred which i think is well known and maloney as i mentioned earlier even tells mayfield that tombstone has the same dam as his nigger dog , which was baby so that kind of shows maloney for the kind of man he was , which from all accounts he wasnt a very honest guy and petty sneaky type of guy, but thats the dog game .