Quote Originally Posted by CYJ View Post
Ditto Projectx, I to feel there may be something to the Cry Baby story as well. I was the one who entered the Mayfield's Cotton pedigree and some other Mayfield pedigrees. The way it is today, I figure if you feel stronger about those thoughts told by those various dog men than what the pedigrees are showing.

Then as the old saying goes, where there is smoke there may be a fire. Breed one's dogs according to those line of thought. Instead of how the papers show the dog or dogs to be bred.

One may end up doing one of two things. Either one's dogs will be bred more correctly or have just made a brand new click that is working. After that, what happens is up to how one choses to breed/cull their dogs and how honest one choses to be with the future papers.

I doubt ADBA or UKC or the other registries will change anything today with most of these dog men no longer living. Even listening to all of those tapes. Putting those tapes on a CD for others to buy and hear. Would if they chose to, could rewrite their own personnel pedigrees to go by. Give a copy of it along with the other pedigree to any dogs sold or farmed out. That other person could to do with the info as they chose.

Sonny Shropshire was a long time Game Chicken person and I enjoyed several trips up to Box Wood. Was a blast from the past. Top Game Chicken men and game chickens meeting from all States to get it on. LOL

Sonny was a good dog man in the short time he was in it. One day not long before he quit the dog game. He told me during a visit that Game Chicken breeders and conditioners he had known. Were a hell of a lot more honest than the crowd of Pit dog men he had known and dealt with in the past years. I said you are probably right. LOL

In closing If I was going to get back into the game. Pedigrees and dog papers would not be my first priority. I would look for a yard of dogs like Mr. Hollingsworth had bred up. Dogs that are built to perform and all of the dogs on the yard look a like.

Hopefully you will get the right papers of what that immediate breeder has done and the advice of how to carry on that line. The Dog game is a never ending story with lots of highs and lows. May you all have a lot of Highs and very few lows. Cheers
Good post CYJ , if you tend to believe the crybaby theory which i also believe to be true, then what about the blind billy
story, i think that is the one that has the evidence to prove it could not be correct based on the dob of dibo and the timeline with floyds own version of when and how he got billy , which in turn then makes the ELI crybaby story fit into place with much more certainty and means that like a house of cards the whole boudreaux line based on blind billy and ELI's pedigrees collapses like a house of cards.


I dont know what a man might do if he had all of dons audios or even just some of them, i just know that on the 15 i have
there is so much information that i wonder how much more we might learn if we had them all, and don had the foresight to
make those recordings so he could refer back to them, and also so he could prove such things about breedigns and other
such things that a man might say in confidence on the phone ,but not admit in public as don knew how the game was and
that the match was not only at pitside ,but in every conversation with many of those men .

But don also was so into the history of the breed and the dogmen from the past, that he would also take his tape
recorder with him on his visits to earl tudors place ,and he would record as much as he could of earl telling about
his time and the men he played the game with, which showed his passion for the game ,and don always put earl
at the top of the tree ,and those recordings of earl were dons way of not loosing that to just a memory ,and i for
one thank him for that , becasue of all the books and magazines and other gamedog related stuff i have, the items
i would keep above all others are the audio tapes i have , and especially the ones with earl tudor .

I think as you said , the ADBA or UKC arent going to change the peds on these dogs, eventhough i do believe that the
blind billy dog can be proved to be without much doubt to not be as bred as the official dob of dibo and the age of when
he arrived at tudors place to the dob on blind billy , means it was impossible for dibo to be the sire , and in this case i
think that those registries should when evidence is clear and damming of such falsfication of a pedigree as in billys case
that they delete that pedigree from billy and change the pedigree to say unknown behind billy , regardless of who
is the man behind the dog, even a legend like floyd boudreuax , otherwise it means that we can't have any confidence
in these registries to police these matters and act when they have reason to do so.