Quote Originally Posted by CYJ View Post
I no longer know if John Cotton and Bill Cotton were brothers are of any kin. John Cotton was a ex FBI agent that lived in Tenn. and had some Corvino dogs. He was friends with Mayfield and Mr. Bush. Bill Cotton lived in N.C. and was the owner of the famed Cotton's Bullet dog. I never got to meet Bill Cotton but V. Jackson did at the Hank's dog's first match.

Is some interesting discussion on the Eli/ Tombstone etc. I thought Randy Fox was a member on here. Would like his thoughts on the Speedy Alan's Gina bitch. Maloney had a full sister to Tombstone named Bonnie that was bred to the Fox's Alvin dog and some others. Was some good dogs off her.

There is a lot of OFRN breeding along with Tudor/Corvino/Armitage/Williams/ Colby dogs in Gina's pedigree. If she was a red nose Gyp and since Toot was a red nose dog as well. Tombstone would show that red nose influence.

I had back in my time era thought of Don Maloney just a Dog matcher and Dog conditioner. Other than Toot and Colorado. A lot of his other pedigrees showed more DeCordova/Hemphill and other bred dogs in his area. I will have to pull up his pedigrees and take another look.

Kennedy/Deffenbach/Uselton/Trussell/etc. did more to keep those last breeding's of Tudor going. When the Glover - Stinson Sampson dog was lost after his last match with Hooten's Butcher Boy. Was a great loss to that Tudor family line of dogs. Jim Usleton was wanting to save Sampson so badly. A misunderstanding got him accidentally shot in one leg by a shot gun.

It is sad that men like E. Crenshaw, did not man up back then when they saw breeding's that were shown incorrect. Called UKC and ADBA to get the pedigrees corrected.

Was to late for Mr. E. Crenshaw to have let himself be taped in a interview. Claiming the errors of M. Carver breeding's after he had died. Mr. Crenshaw should have been addressing that matter to Ralph Greenwood when the paper changing was going down. At least with the dogs he and Carver were breeding.

If we could really see how many of the dogs of the 60's, 70's, 80's were really bred. Would be quite a eye opener. Howard Heinzl was the only dog man that no one spoke bad of. Was considered to have been very honest with his breeding's and papers. Cheers
Nice post cyj, tudors baby was the female of earls that was on maloneys yard and was the likely dam to tombstone, and im sure if you read my post about the audio tape which i actually have and on it there is the convo with maloney and a man who called mayfield some years later and told don about how the gina bitch was up in another state when
she was suposed to be on maloenys yard whelping tomstones litter .
I think that jack is correct in saying that you should never completely belive everything about thoses times, regadless of
who tells you, but im more than happy to take mayfields word about tombstone/ ELI and blind billy not being bred as they show.
I do that not becasue i want to believe it just becasue mayfield says it, i think if you read my post about these dogs , i have used as msuch evidence,such as it is , including floyds own words , and the circumstanstail evidence of various factors like the audio conovs about tombstone, the timeline for blind billy and dibo which if true would more than likely prove that ELI was infact out of the crybaby litter as was thought at the time,and as such would mean that mayfield should at least get some recognition for that litter and the subsequent breeding that floyd most probably made with eli and the other litter mates .
In those audios mayfield had it showed the foresight to keep a record of his converstions ,from them we have found out many things about the breedings not just from amyfields mouth but from the mouths of the men he talked to in those audio tapes, which are the
most important information source we have today , and i only wish i had more of them , but from just those few it proved
a lot of what mayfield had said over these years was true.

As for ed crenshaws audio interview, well i think he in many ways had the tell on carver , he knew more about carvers breedings than most other folks around , and im not sure we should condem him about not telling what he knew about possible mixed up peds like the ones mentioned , as i think the dogmen back then and especially from ed crenshaws generation were far more low key and kept things to themselves much more than today , with the internet and instant access to information etc , but i agree with you it would be great if they all came out and said something , The trouble is back then how did you prove it, there was no dna like today , and when mayfield did say something ,which now looks like it was true, he gets shot down as jealous and crazy , so its not like the fraterntiy welcomes this type of news
with open arms , because if one mans lying then another is telling the truth , and the folks who stand behind the man caught lying never seem to be able to face upto it , its like they feel like thev'e been made to look a fool by sticking up for the liar , so rahter than look like fools they just call the other man a lair and hope it goes away , but the thing is that the truth ,or at least the truth as best as we can get it, comes out in the end ,just like blind billy ELI and tombstone , to name a few.